The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave

[SteelCurtain]

Godlesspanther is now on Rev777's ignore list for bringing up harmful facts.

[Godlesspanther]

Godlesspanther is now on Rev777's ignore list for bringing up harmful facts.

It's not like he actually read anything that I wrote anyway. He has responded to me. But the non-sequiters that he responded with suggest that he did not actually read what I wrote.

I suppose all facts would be harmful if you are as heavily indoctrinated as Rev. is.

[SteelCurtain]

I think I'm on his ignore list. I have no desire to trick myself into thinking he might actually engage me and fully answer questions, so I've been pot shotting. Which normally isn't like me. But for some reason these threads are extra frustrating for me.

[DarkHorse]

Not one good argument from your part Rev. Stop trying. Admit to yourself that you're feeling those tiny little fingers of doubt, because what you're doing now, by trying to refute everyone else's arguments and providing nothing but ignorance on your part, is harmful to your mental health and wellbeing. It's okay to doubt, it's okay to actually READ what others are writing and look at the links they provide. Because honestly, I don't see how ANYONE can be this blind and ignorant. Well, I suppose I can, I was there. But the difference is, I knew about the doubts, I just kept shoving them aside. Which is why I'm saying I suspect you might have had some doubts yourself. It doesn't make sense that you wouldn't.

Let me use your own book:

1 Thessalonians 5:21 says:
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good; (American Standard Version)
Let all things be tested; keep to what is good; (Bible in Basic English)
But examine everything carefully and hang on to what is good. (Common English Bible)

Using that frame of reference, instead of bombarding everyone with what the bible says, and that it's the divinely inspired word of god, TEST IT. Your own book is telling you to. We have, as have millions of other people too, and it's WRONG. That is the "good" part. Hold onto what is right and good and true. Which comes down to this: Religion is a pile of shit. And reality is GOOD. It's the only healthy thing to believe in, this reality.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I think I'm on his ignore list. I have no desire to trick myself into thinking he might actually engage me and fully answer questions, so I've been pot shotting. Which normally isn't like me. But for some reason these threads are extra frustrating for me.

It's always frustrating when someone comes on touting their beliefs as truth, refusing to provide evidence, and then holding others to the standards they should apply to themselves ('what evidence do you have that x doesn't exist?')

It's utter shit, and it holds us all back

[Revelation777]

Godlesspanther is now on Rev777's ignore list for bringing up harmful facts.

I just checked, I don't have anyone on my ignore list.

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The Bible is divinely inspired, reveals the truth of Christ as the Son of God, and it's message is consistent through out, and its prophesies come true.

You didn't say what denomination you are. It would be of great help for this discussion if you told me. I could then look it up and know what teachings you follow.

You're also ignoring the history of how the belief in the Trinity was established.

Trinity History

Are you a Catholic? If not, why do you reject Catholicism while believing in a doctrine established by the Catholics?

I'm a nondenominational born again Christian

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Written by men, inspired by God. No contradictions, prophecies pretty clear to me.

Bullshit. Written by men, period. Just like the Koran and Reg Vedas. Comic books written by humans reflecting their own social norms and superstitions of the times they lived in.

You will NOT find any modern words, modern dates, or modern technological words in that comic book. You will not find Obama's name or Hitler's name or Bin Ladin's name. You will not find the term "DNA" or "Cell pone". You will not find the winner of last year's Superbowl winner in it. That stupid comic book doesn't even get science right. It creates the earth in 6 days when science KNOWS it is 4 billion years old. It has adult women popping out of a man's rib. It treats the sun and moon as separate sources of light.

The only thing that book predicts is YOUR gullibility. People of other religions try to pull the same "prophecy" garbage too. It doesn't wash with me when they pull it and it won't work when you pull it either.

You might as well be arguing the Oracle of Oedipus was a real prophet and it would still amount to the same bullshit.

Did you know that the book that you are dismissing has over 350 prophesies fulfilled the the life of Christ. That is no coincidence.

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A contradiction is comprised of two or more pieces of information that incompatible and mutually exclusive, such that, if one is true, the other must be false and visa versa. Your claim is that the Bible does not contain any contradictions. If we can provide one counter example then the claim is false.

Right from the beginning: Genesis chapter 1 -- god made plants and animals before it made man and woman at the same time. Genesis chapter 2 -- god made man before plants and animals then made woman from one of man's ribs. These are two different pieces of information and they are incompatible, mutually exclusive, such that if Gen. 1 is true, the the second chapter is wrong.

No excuses, no word games, no ad hominems. The first two chapters of Genesis are contradictory. The claim, that there are no contradictions in the Bible is false. No excuses -- the claim is wrong. Repeating that claim is what we call a lie.

This link will clearly show you there are is no contradiction at all:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...is-1-and-2

[Confused Ape]

I'm a nondenominational born again Christian

I've just come across this on a Christian website - looks like people can be born again via the internet these days. Where did you find the information which prompted you to be born again?

What does it mean to be a born again Christian?"

Have you made a decision for Christ because of what you have read here? If so, please click on the "I have accepted Christ today" button below.

When I looked at their 'About' page there's this -

About Got Questions Org

We are Christian, Protestant, conservative, evangelical, fundamental, and non-denominational.

This is very helpful because I don't have to go through their website to get a good idea of what they believe.

PS: What were you before you became a born again Christian?

[Crossless2.0]

Did you know that the book that you are dismissing has over 350 prophesies fulfilled the the life of Christ. That is no coincidence.

Oh? Do tell. Are you quite sure these are prophesies fulfilled or narratives retrofitted to the prophesies (you know, that pesky fact that the component parts of your holy book were written long after the alleged events)? And are you sure your 350 "prophesies" were really that and not passages torn out of their context to make the Christian case?

For your enlightenment and possible self-recognition, Rev, here's Nietzsche on the subject of Christian honesty with regard to scripture, from Daybreak, Book I, section 84:

"The philology of Christianity. How little Christianity educates the sense of honesty and justice can be gauged fairly well from the character of its scholars' writings: they present their conjectures as boldly as if they were dogmas and are rarely in any honest perplexity over the interpretation of a passage in the Bible. Again and again they say 'I am right, for it is written ' and then follows an interpretation of such impudent arbitrariness that a philologist who hears it is caught between rage and laughter and asks himself: is it possible? Is this honourable? Is it even decent? How much dishonesty in this matter is still practised in Protestant pulpits, how grossly the preacher exploits the advantage that no one is going to interrupt him here, how the Bible is pummelled and punched and the art of reading badly is in all due form imparted to the people: only he who never goes to church or never goes anywhere else will underestimate that. But after all, what can one expect from the effects of a religion which in the centuries of its foundation perpetrated that unheard-of philological farce concerning the Old Testament: I mean the attempt to pull the Old Testament from under the feet of the Jews with the assertion it contained nothing but Christian teaching and belonged to the Christians as the true people of Israel, the Jews being only usurpers. And then there followed a fury of interpretation and construction that cannot possibly be associated with a good conscience: however much Jewish scholars protested, the Old Testament was supposed to speak of Christ and only of Christ, and especially of his Cross; wherever a piece of wood, a rod, a ladder, a twig, a tree, a willow, a staff is mentioned, it is supposed to be a prophetic allusion to the wood of the Cross; even the erection of the one-horned beast and the brazen serpent, even Moses43 spreading his arms in prayer, even the spits on which the Passover44 lamb45 was roasted all allusions to the Cross and as it were preludes to it! Has anyone who asserted this ever believed it? Consider that the church did not shrink from enriching the text of the Septuagint46 (e.g. in Psalm 96, verse 1047) so as afterwards to employ the smuggled-in passage in the sense of Christian prophecy. For they were conducting a war and paid more heed to their opponents than to the need to stay honest."

[Godlesspanther]

A contradiction is comprised of two or more pieces of information that incompatible and mutually exclusive, such that, if one is true, the other must be false and visa versa. Your claim is that the Bible does not contain any contradictions. If we can provide one counter example then the claim is false.

Right from the beginning: Genesis chapter 1 -- god made plants and animals before it made man and woman at the same time. Genesis chapter 2 -- god made man before plants and animals then made woman from one of man's ribs. These are two different pieces of information and they are incompatible, mutually exclusive, such that if Gen. 1 is true, the the second chapter is wrong.

No excuses, no word games, no ad hominems. The first two chapters of Genesis are contradictory. The claim, that there are no contradictions in the Bible is false. No excuses -- the claim is wrong. Repeating that claim is what we call a lie.

This link will clearly show you there are is no contradiction at all:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...is-1-and-2

So you provide a link to the words of a scumbag cult leader who is a notorious, compulsive, inveterate liar and con man. I read his bullshit excuse and that is all it is -- a bullshit excuse. I do not believe that a lie + bullshit excuse = truth. that is what you are trying to sell me. I'm not buying it.

Let's just stick with the actual facts. The claim is that the Bible does not contain any contradictions. The fact of the matter is that it does. The claim is wrong. No excuses, no bullshit, no ad hominems, or just flat out childish denial like you just did.

Simple logic:

Claim the Bible contains no contradictions.

How do we test that claim? Read the Bible and if you can come up with even one counter-example then the claim is wrong. It is very simple, very basic, straght-forward logic.

You and I both know that I can go through the Bible and find contradictions, absurdities, stuff that is just plain wrong, really bad advice, ghastly atrocities, and gibberish that does not mean a god damn thing no matter how you try to twist it. You and I both know that magic story book believers have bullshit excuses for all this stuff. You and I both know that these lame excuses do not stand up to even the lowest level of scrutiny. All Ken Ham did was just deny the contradiction -- that's it, just denial. It is dishonest. Why should I consider the denial of a notorious liar to trump reality? I shouldn't.

It's just about honesty. I cannot accept Kan Ham's excuse honestly because it is a dishonest excuse.

[Rampant.A.I.]

The Bible is divinely inspired, reveals the truth of Christ as the Son of God, and it's message is consistent through out, and its prophesies come true.

So you haven't actually read it, and aren't aware the contradictions start in Genesis.