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Christian Logic
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 (April 18, 2014 at 2:52 pm)ronedee Wrote: Its fun (for a few minutes anyway) to watch people try to make sense of what they consider to be "nothing" at all. That's what we atheists call being intellectually free, free to entertain ANY (even irrational) thought without fear, (truly) religious people cannot afford this, constantly supressing free thinking as a fundamental state of the human mind is the task I'm unable to perform 
 (April 18, 2014 at 2:52 pm)ronedee Wrote: Its fun (for a few minutes anyway) to watch people try to make sense of what they consider to be "nothing" at all. We know religions and religious beliefs exist. It's very difficult trying to keep track of Christianity, though, when there are so many different groups of Christians with different beliefs. I see that you're a catholic. What do you think of those Christians who don't regard Roman Catholics as being Christians?  Where are the snake and mushroom smilies?
The system of logic for a christian evangelical fundamentalist is:
"I am always right and you are always wrong and that's that. because I said so." This is actually appealing to some people and they do manage to get converts. I guess some folks just have a childish need to always be right no matter how wrong they are.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste -- don't pollute it with bullshit.
 (April 17, 2014 at 1:30 pm)Vegamo Wrote: Christian Logic: Pretty sure the Christians who don't agree with evolution are also the same against clones. Mars in 8 years?
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
 (April 18, 2014 at 9:30 am)Confused Ape Wrote:Ahhh, that brings back such wonderful memories... :p(April 17, 2014 at 5:42 pm)Lek Wrote: The bible nowhere even remotely says that Jesus is the brother of the devil or is Michael the archangel.  (April 18, 2014 at 2:52 pm)ronedee Wrote: Its fun (for a few minutes anyway) to watch people try to make sense of what they consider to be "nothing" at all. Interesting how this cuts both ways. I suppose it's all in what assumptions you're willing to make about reality.  (April 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm)Confused Ape Wrote: Christians still believe that God speaks to people. There are dozens of articles about it on the internet. Here are 3 examples. Why limit it to Christianity? It isn't the only religion in the world. Muslims claim to speak to god and Hindus and the ancient Greeks and Romans and Egyptians all had their oracles too. Humans "speak to god?deity" because they are too stupid to realize that they are talking to themselves in a false hope that they will live forever.  RE: Christian Logic
April 18, 2014 at 7:53 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2014 at 7:54 pm by Jacob(smooth).)
(April 18, 2014 at 2:52 pm)ronedee Wrote: Its fun (for a few minutes anyway) to watch people try to make sense of what they consider to be "nothing" at all. What I find interesting, and more than a little depressing, about this whole thread is the human tendency to find satisfaction in what we perceive as the inadequacy of others. We all do it, myself not least. But it is not very healthy. If ones finds someone else who is shorter, or uglier, or less healthy, or poorer, we don't derive any satisfaction or amusement from pointing that out. But apparently we do when considering people who hold incorrect views. Rondee just mirrored the exact same condescending attitude back. "christians are illogical." "No, atheists are illogical!", "no CHRISTIANS are illogical". If "christian logic" is wrong. I can think of two reasons. 1. Christians have drawn different conclusions because they have different inormation at hand. 2. Christians ain't too bright. Either way, big wup. If they DO represent a less intelligent, educated or enlightened mindset then that sucks for them. But I see no reason for amusement or satisfaction from the "more enlightened" group. Possibly, if it could be done without arrogance, pity would be the more appropriate view. As one might hold for someone with stockholm syndrome. Failing that, here's a fun idea for a thread. We could have one on "depressed peoples logic". Or even "mentally ill peoples logic". Have a nice circle jerk over how those groups do dumb or crazy stuff! Glad we're not like them, hey? They can't see light at the end of the tunnel! They think that things can't improve from how they feel now, because they can't see that their conclusions are being affected by fucked up brain chemistry. Pffft. Anyway. Carry on.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken." Sith code  RE: Christian Logic
April 18, 2014 at 9:23 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2014 at 9:24 pm by Lek.)
(April 18, 2014 at 10:42 am)tokutter Wrote:(April 17, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Lek Wrote: Christians and atheists are alike in that they have numerous differing opinions among themselves. One thing that means is that people think for themselves. If you read the bible you find there are certain passages that are very clear and easy to intrepret while others are less distinct. In Romans 10:9 Paul wrote "if you confess with your mouth the lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." That's what distinguishes a Christian from a non-christian - our belief in Jesus as our savior and the son of God. A "christian atheist" is not a christian. Jesus never said you must interpret all the scriptures in the same exact way in order to be saved. There are correct and incorrect interpretations for every verse in the bible and the more you study it, the more the Holy Spirit will show you. It wasn't meant to be easy. There is not an institutional "church" that holds the perfect interpretation of the scriptures. The christian church is the body of believers - individuals who together make up the church. There may be an individual who possesses a perfect interpretation, but I think probably not, at least until we're with him face-to-face. We don't have to have a perfect interpretation of the scriptures to be christians and I don't know anybody who claims to. In fact, I'm always searching for more understanding. Things like responding to the challenges brought up on this forum have often made me go back to revisit and refine some of my understanding of the bible. (April 18, 2014 at 7:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Why limit it to Christianity? It isn't the only religion in the world. Muslims claim to speak to god and Hindus and the ancient Greeks and Romans and Egyptians all had their oracles too. I limited it to Christianity because I was replying to the opening post. (April 17, 2014 at 1:30 pm)Vegamo Wrote: Christian Logic: Christians aren't being illogical in the context of the opening post if they still believe that God speaks to people. Hearing from what is interpreted as 'other' isn't limited to God. There are people who believe they hear from spirit guides or their Higher Self etc. (April 18, 2014 at 7:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Humans "speak to god?deity" because they are too stupid to realize that they are talking to themselves in a false hope that they will live forever. The interesting thing is when humans hear back from whatever they think they're talking to. The brain works in mysterious ways and that branch of science which studies religious experiences is still looking into it. I've found instructions for meeting one's Higher Self and will bold the really interesting bit. Howto Meet your Higher Self Quote: My method is to imagine myself going to a garden, imagining a gazebo or a stone bench, and requesting that my higher self sit with me and talk to me (she usually brings tea and cookies, though I protest since I don’t like tea, to which she shrugs and says, “yes you do”). When you first do this, it’s going to feel like you’re imagining the whole thing. As Joan of Arc once said, “Well how else would God speak to me if not through my imagination?” But the way you can tell when you’re speaking with HS instead of your own ego is by the answers HS gives you. When the answers to the questions you’re asking start to sound wiser or more knowledgeable than you usually do, you’re probably talking to HS. When you get insights into your current situation and the advice seems sound, it’s probably HS. Just keep talking to this manifestation of your higher self until it feels like you’re talking to someone else and the answers you’re getting don’t seem like they’re coming from your own head. This can take time and practice. The answers do come from people's own heads, of course, but which part of the brain is producing the answers? Science is discovering that what we think of as consciousness is only the tip of a very big iceberg. Where are the snake and mushroom smilies? |
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