Why theists think their irrational/fallacious beliefs are valid

[fr0d0]

Looks like you're stuffed them K

[Anomalocaris]

Looks like you're stuffed them K

Just saying "the same with you" doesn't make it so, hobbit.

But it does betray the utter bankruptcy of your own camp when the worst insult you can hurl is to accuse the other camp of being so incredibly bad as to not be better than yours.

[JuliaL]

It is only bad if the ideals/beliefs within the herd are not based on reality.

Other than crossing the streams, I'm shaky on the whole good/bad thing.
I'd rather go with adaptive or maladaptive which are contextual to the local environment for the individual.

Oops, gotta go to work. Bye.

[Rampant.A.I.]

The difference being the atheistic herd mentality is based on reality whereas the theistic side is based on faithfullness (the thesaurus actually has this as a synonym for unreality, hehe).

Herd mentality is just as bad on either side. I won't pop your bubble and tell you how they sum up the atheist position ;)

Yet you keep posting "Hi guys, I have nothing new to say, just thought I'd let you know LOL" over and over again.

[fr0d0]

Looks like you're stuffed them K

Just saying "the same with you" doesn't make it so, hobbit.

But it does betray the utter bankruptcy of your own camp when the worst insult you can hurl is to accuse the other camp of being so incredibly bad as to not be better than yours.

Well I was trying to be honest/ unbiased.

No point presenting the opposing view as you'd only deny it.

So you think a herd mentality is a good thing? It certainly had evolutionary advantages.

[popeyespappy]

That is why when they come here, they are confused that we cannot understand or accept their brand of logic

Confirmation bias you see the other way around here. People instinctualy herd together and share ideologies.

Conformation bias is a problem for everyone, but we rarely see it at the same level in the atheists on these forums that we do in the theists. Particularly in the Young Earth crowd. For them anything that contradicts with their interpretation of their scriptures can be rejected out of hand, and everything must be interpreted to conform to their presuppositional views. Revelation777’s thread on transitional fossils is a perfect example of this. According to Rev Tiktaalik is not a transitional form even though it meets his definition of a form with features between earlier and later forms.

If you Fr0d0, want to convince us atheists that Christianity is the correct religious position and can provide verifiable evidence of the following that does not conflict with other known observations I’ll change my position and be in church on Sunday.

1. The universe required a creator.
2. The god of the Bible is the creator.
3. Souls exist.
4. Souls need saving.
5. Acceptance of Jesus is the only path to salvation.

[Anomalocaris]

No point presenting the opposing view as you'd only deny it.

So you think a herd mentality is a good thing? It certainly had evolutionary advantages.

A point of view about what is a factual matter does not in itself establish the fact. If a point of view is not based on facts, or ignore highly salient facts, it will not be denied, it will simply be ignored as a nonproductive a waste of time.

It is very christian to argue so long as it is a christain point of view, it ought to have equal weight and force as material fact. They never grant the same to buddhists, islam, or animist points of view.

Whether herd mentality had evolutionary advantages is also irrelevent. We are talking about whether herd mentality is of benefit or detriment in the practice of establishing facts and estimating probabilities.

But It is also very christian to inject a historic, incidental, or tangential benefit that christianity might dubiously lay claim to in the past as a rationale for perpetuating christianity in a world where such benefits are overwhelmingly overshadowed by direct harm it is doing now and most likely will do in the future. But again christians would not extend the same benefit for the reviled brotherns of nominally different creeds.

[fr0d0]

Conformation bias is a problem for everyone, but we rarely see it at the same level in the atheists on these forums that we do in the theists. Particularly in the Young Earth crowd. For them anything that contradicts with their interpretation of their scriptures can be rejected out of hand, and everything must be interpreted to conform to their presuppositional views. Revelation777’s thread on transitional fossils is a perfect example of this. According to Rev Tiktaalik is not a transitional form even though it meets his definition of a form with features between earlier and later forms.

If you Fr0d0, want to convince us atheists that Christianity is the correct religious position and can provide verifiable evidence of the following that does not conflict with other known observations I’ll change my position and be in church on Sunday.

1. The universe required a creator.
2. The god of the Bible is the creator.
3. Souls exist.
4. Souls need saving.
5. Acceptance of Jesus is the only path to salvation.

I would agree with you regarding YEC and ID.

I certainly see it a lot on atheist forums and I wouldn't like to put money on who's in the lead.

Your wanting natural evidence of the supernatural is more than dumb to me, so I guess it's no church for you come the weekend.

And your confirmation bias is quite strong padawan

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They never grant the same to buddhists, islam, or animist points of view.

I try to. I think there's a lot of value in those ideas. I also think atheistic ideas are useful. Ideally we're moving forward and learning.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Just saying "the same with you" doesn't make it so, hobbit.

But it does betray the utter bankruptcy of your own camp when the worst insult you can hurl is to accuse the other camp of being so incredibly bad as to not be better than yours.

Well I was trying to be honest/ unbiased.

Oh come on. Really? Five years of making up bullshit, and saying you already logically supported your claims, and you think anyone believes you're capable of being honest or unbiased?

No point presenting the opposing view as you'd only deny it.

So you think a herd mentality is a good thing? It certainly had evolutionary advantages.

"Opposing views" being whatever you made up and can't support.

[popeyespappy]

And your confirmation bias is quite strong padawan

My conformation bias can be over come with with evidence. For example as far as many on this board are concerned I am a certifiable gun nut. However my position on gun control has evolved a great deal after being involved in several discussions on the subject over the past few years. What strongly held position of yours has been changed by evidence that you were wrong in the last few years?