Proving the Bible

[Tonus]

Well He did come back from the dead and appeared to over 500 persons.

And --based on eyewitness accounts discovered centuries later by George Romero-- began to eat them.

[BlackSwordsman]

BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE!

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE YOU WILL BURN IN HELL

BELIEVE

BELIEVE!

BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO



Was this convincing enough? Isn't that what preachers do? hope it worked

[Angrboda]

I'm sure he is. But "simple" on his level is extraordinarily complex, if we are crediting him with creating the universe and everything in it.

Yes this debate comes after we accept that there is something eternal. This is an entire topic of understanding God.
Some basic ideas :
See the simplicity and complexity

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A man came to Imam abu Ja‘far (a.s.) saying, ‘Tell me about your Lord. When did He come into existence?’" The Imam (a.s.) replied, "Woe upon you! Such question is asked only about a thing that did not exist. My Lord, all Glory belongs to Him is and will be eternally. He lives and no How question applies to Him. He did not have any coming into existence and nor there was any being for His coming into being. This does not apply to Him because He is not subject to the effects of space. He was not in any thing or on any thing nor did He invent any space for His own space. He did not become stronger after making all things nor was weak before giving being to the beings. He was not lonely before His inventing all things. He is not similar to any thing that could be called a thing. He was also not without Kingdom before the creation and nor will He be without it after all things. He lives eternally without life and the powerful king before His invention of the things and He is an all powerful king after the creation of all things. To His existence no How or Where question is applicable. There is no limit for Him nor is He definable by analogy. He does not become old due to eternal living. He doe not become alarmed because of any thing but that all things are fearful of His (disappointment). He lived without newly emerging life. He is not a describable being or that could be limit with conditions or that would have a space to depend on. He does not have a place so that He can be considered as neighboring something. He is living and one can know Him. He is the eternal King. He has the power and the kingdom. He has created all that He wanted and when He decided by His will. He can not be limited. He can not be divided or destroyed. He was before everything but no How question would apply to Him. He will be the last but no Where will apply to Him. All things will be destroyed except He. The creation belongs to Him and His is the command. He is the Holy Lord of the worlds. O inquirer, imaginations can not encompass my Lord and He does not face any confusions or bewilderment. Nothing is able to escape Him and nothing happens to Him. He can not be held responsible for anything and He does not become regretful. Neither slumber nor sleep overcomes Him. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth and all that is between them and under the soil.

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[Snip!]

[Simon Moon]

Well He did come back from the dead and appeared to over 500 persons.

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Besides the Bible, what is your evidence for this?

Just to note, the Gospels were written decades after the alleged events by unknown authors. Why should they be considered reliable?

Where is your faith? Don't you marvel at His creation? Of do you believe this is a great accident?

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Faith is not a path to truth. Faith is indistinguishable from gullibility.

There are 1.5 billion Muslims and 1 billion Hindus that base their beliefs on faith.

[Revelation777]

BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE!

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE YOU WILL BURN IN HELL

BELIEVE

BELIEVE!

BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO



Was this convincing enough? Isn't that what preachers do? hope it worked

No, believe in Jesus, the Son of God.

[Silver]

No, believe in Jesus, the Son of God.

I will add Jesus into my beliefs by believing that he never existed.

[Brakeman]

BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE!
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No, believe in Jesus, the Son of God.

Why would jesus say to believe in him? Doesn't that sound a bit odd in reality? Have you ever told your children or friends to "believe in you" as opposed to "believe me" as in trust what I say?

It's almost as if the bible authors knew that they would never have anything tangible of jesus that would take his existence out of question. They knew that they had to first convince people that a Jesus existed, then they could concentrate on the particulars..

[Tonus]

It's almost as if the bible authors knew that they would never have anything tangible of jesus that would take his existence out of question. They knew that they had to first convince people that a Jesus existed, then they could concentrate on the particulars..

They begin to lay the groundwork for this early, such as when Jesus tells Thomas that 'blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe.' Which is a very strange phrase coming from a guy who did everything from parlor tricks to bringing himself back from the dead, and who specifically answered John the Baptist's question about his bona-fides by performing miracles. But no, all of a sudden believing did not require seeing. And all of a sudden, anyone who mocked the second coming wasn't being patient enough. And so on. The god who was adamant about showing people just what he was capable of, decided that it was time to completely disappear.

Maybe camera flash causes him to suffer epileptic fits?

[Chas]

One should not simply accept anything without the proper evidence to support its existence. First it must be proven to exist before any real debate can begin.

Yep. And that's what I was proving...

No, you were failing miserably.

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Step one was universe cannot as itself be eternal.

Assertion without evidence.

I went through all that, to prove there must be only one thing that can be eternal. Call it whatever u like. This is the evidence of God.

That is not evidence.

(apart from history that men came claiming to be prophets throughout the history till Prophet Muhammad. And they got scriptures that talk about many many things claiming to be from God e.g The Origins of the Universe, Clouds, Mountains, Deep Seas and Internal Waves, Seas and Rivers, Human Embryonic Development, The Cerebrum, who could claim all that)
And I dont want to discuss about religion BTW.

Good, because we'll hand you your ass on a platter.

As for your theory is easily debunkable. Make any theory other then the existence of an eternal God it will be easily be debunkable.

Assertion without evidence. You have not demonstrated this.

Your universe itself is subject to time so there must be a start.

This version seems to have required a start. However, if there was a singularity then there was no time 'before' there was this universe. That singularity may have always existed.

How did it start. What was the first cause that it did even start leave alone perpetuate. You theory is still inside that logical loop, that leads us to nowhere. This itself is proof that your theory is wrong. There must be something that was always there. In the equation if the universe.

The correct answer is that we don't know. Including you.

[LostLocke]

Its not impossible to be another time before big bang then. So we are left with an infinity to deal with.

No, we are not.
To assert we are left with an infinity, you need to show that there is in fact time 'before' our universe. And then you need to show that that time operates exactly like our time within the universe.