Evidence God Exists

[AngelThMan]

While we're on the topic, the human hand is the most agile tool in the universe. And yet humans are the only species that have it. Ever ask yourself why?

The penis of the blue whale is the most massive penis in the universe...ever ask yourself why?

But seriously, I'd like to see you back up your claim that it is the most agile tool "in the universe". Given that we have not yet explored the universe, how you can make this claim is quite beyond me. Please give evidence.

I was quoting from a nature show. But I think it's pretty obvious, isn't it? Is there any other tool in the world that can perform as many different tasks as the human hand?

[lukec]

If we had descended from pachyderms I assume we would ask the exact same regarding trunks.

[Loki_999]

I was quoting from a nature show. But I think it's pretty obvious, isn't it? Is there any other tool in the world that can perform as many different tasks as the human hand?

Well, masturbation has already been mentioned.... is there another use????

I'll give a nod to the octopus tentacle. It could be used to type, to grip objects (back to masturbation again), push, pull, hit things with, hmmm... not sure what a hand can do that a tentacle cannot... well, apart from give someone the middle finger...

But using the hand to prove God doesn't really get you anywhere. So, humans have pretty useful things on their forelimbs.... but so do birds. They can fly. We can't fly. Flying things can go higher than us, be closer to the magical sky daddy, so wings are probably evidence that god exists and that birds are god's chosen creatures. <-- sarcasm intended.

What about the amoeba? That can replicate by splitting itself. One minute there is one, the next two. Easy!

We have to go through the whole messy business of sex, followed by 9 months of pregnancy, followed by our children being largely defenseless for the first few years of their lives.

So, by your logic, God deliberately chose an inefficient reproduction system for us and gave the Amoeba a much better one. What is God's favorite creature again?

The whole problem with a lot of your arguments (and by this I mean not only you, but a lot of Christians) is that you like to look at something very specific, and block out the rest of reality while you make your point. To compound the error you will then happily take some other point as proof, even if that point is in contradiction with the first.

The main thing is to consider only 1 thing at a time so nothing comes into conflict.... a bit like reading the bible... as long as you take each passage as separate its fine, but when you put them together its full of contradiction.... just consider the OT and the NT... it is effectively two separate religions:

OT=I am a jealous god and I will kill anyone who disagrees with me
NT=God (and Jesus) love you very much... and I will send anyone who disagrees with me to hell

Hmmm, so not too much difference i suppose.

[Tiberius]

I was quoting from a nature show. But I think it's pretty obvious, isn't it? Is there any other tool in the world that can perform as many different tasks as the human hand?

You ignored the point about the "universe". Are you saying the human hand is the best tool in the universe, or the world? Make your mind up and present evidence.

I think the brain has possibly got the human hand beat here, or perhaps the simple cell. Both perform a multitude of different tasks that are more useful than anything a human hand has ever made. I doubt you'll like those examples though...since quite a few animals have cells and a brain (and I know you hate evidence that goes against you preconceptions).

[leo-rcc]

I don't know, the trunk of an Elephant looks like a very good tool to me as well.

[Dotard]

Is there any other tool in the world that can perform as many different tasks as the human hand?

I submit this tool can perform more tasks than a human hand;

[Loki_999]

Is there any other tool in the world that can perform as many different tasks as the human hand?

I submit this tool can perform more tasks than a human hand;

Awesome! All hail the mighty erm... multi-purpose tool! Beloved is our metallic overlord.

[SleepingDemon]

Angel you're arguing this all wrong. Mankind's advanced communication and written languages have done more for our species over the last 10,000 years than the human hand. Every technological marvel today exists because someone took another person's idea, and somehow made it better. The automobile was at one point the horse drawn carriage, which at some point was a chariot, which at some point goes back to the guy who invented the wheel. Every invention, every step forward in human ingenuity is done so only because we have the ability to pass down knowledge. Our species really isn't all that smart, but we have common knowledge, we have shared intelligence that has driven our species to an unprecedented level of sophistication.

But on the flipside, the tradeoff is that most animals have pieces of what we have. Dolphins and whales have a very complex vocalization process which makes for very elaborate communication. The social behaviors of primates almost mirrors our own. Animals can show emotional responses to degrees that we can barely comprehend. We just so happened to have enough brainpower to comprehend those first few verbalizations. As we began to use our brains to create more and more complex languages and technology, our brains developed further. But were it not for those first few steps, we would probably be a race of hairless apes lost somewhere in history, and another species would have taken hold.

That is what creationists truly don't understand. They always try to glorify human beings, when in reality, we really aren't all that special. We became self aware, sure, increased brainmass, increased memory, evolved throat and tongue apparatus used with lungs to create elaborate verbalizations, sure, and were it not for these adaptations, we would have been unable to pass down knowledge, which means we would still know very little, as some of us do already.

Human beings exist because 65 million years ago some cataclysm, be it an asteroid or whatever, caused the mass extinction of a large portion of animals on this planet, including the dominant creature, the dinosaurs. They were highly evolved as well. T-Rex was a 40 foot predator that could smell something 10 miles away, could run upwards of 30 mph, his mouth could take volkswagon sized bites out of anything, teeth evolved with the sole purpose of pulverizing flesh and bone. An overall magnificent speciman of 150 million years of evolution, but one day, it all came to an end. Giving our ancestors the planet. Were it not for that event, or that series of event, we WOULD NOT EXIST. Just like if there were another mass extinction, or even a single species extinction, wiping humanity from the face of the planet, another animal, like deer, or donkeys, would take the role of dominant species, and in 65 million years would have dexterous thumbs.

[KawaiiKoneko]

First and foremost, I would like to define the word evidence. In speaking to atheists, this is always a point of contention, and too much time is spent on discussing whether or not what I’ve provided is evidence rather than on the real subject. Below are the dictionary definitions of the word…

ev·i·dence /ˈɛvɪdəns/ Show Spelled [ev-i-duhns] Show IPA noun, verb,-denced, -denc·ing.
–noun

1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.

No argument there.

Note the terms ‘ground for belief’ and ‘an indication or sign.’ If a meteorologist discovers that rain in one region is evidence of something, and the lack of rain in another region is evidence of something else, and from these observations he forms a theory, then what he has observed is in fact evidence. What I’m about to provide is no different. I have made an observation about something that is real and tangible around us. Therefore, what I am providing is in fact evidence. Basically, I am claiming that there’s evidence all around us that God exits.

No. A meteorologist has a degree and has studied long enough to be deemed a scientist. Are you an authority on the subject of religion? And if so, on what grounds do you claim that authority?

I should note that while I believe in God, I am not an extreme bible belt fundamentalist. I believe in evolution, and I am not unique in this. Roughly 40% of Christians in America believe in evolution. We just see it as part of God’s plan. The point is that I’m not here to argue against evolution, but to argue for the existence of God.

I'm going to see that as you trying to prove that you are an intellectual. Which in my opinion is a contradiction to your claim "I believe in God."

I will always speak to you in a civil manner. Atheists, who pride themselves as being intellectually superior to believers, should be able to provide intelligent arguments without profanity and name-calling. Light bantering and snide comments are okay; sometimes that’s part of the fun. But any disrespectful responses will be immediately ignored, regardless of how intelligent your point is.

So, basically. You'll ignore what you don't want to hear, even if they have a good point.

Atheists love to use the word ‘refuted’ a lot. Just because you say my argument has been refuted doesn’t mean it has been. I warn you that I am a tough cookie, and I’ll likely have an answer for just about anything you post. So if you’re easily frustrated, perhaps you should not participate in this discussion.

I can't see an intelligent member of this forum lying about whether or not an argument you have has been refuted or not. What would be the gain of lying about such things?

Without further ado, here’s the evidence: Humans are the only species, out of millions of species, which have evolved into an intelligent life form. Other species live pretty much to eat and sleep -- survival. If our evolution were only a result of natural selection, shouldn’t other species, or even just one, have evolved into intelligent beings after millions of years? But the fact is that no other species have been able to develop science, literature, art, music and intelligent thought process as humans have. Isn’t this evidence that God exists?

Your claim is ignorant. There are intelligent animals. Dolphins are considered highly intelligent, and Chimpanzee's have been in space. It would take a great deal of intelligence on their part in order to do so. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought intelligence is measured on the ability to learn and retain information.

The human species shares similarities with other animals on that part (humans are animals). We live to procreate. It just so happens we cannot survive (like any other living thing) without proper nutrition (food), regeneration (sleep) and sex (insuring species survival).

Yes it is, and for several reasons. For one thing it corroborates what’s written in the bible, which is that God created man in his image, and that animals are inferior. But to truly understand why my evidence points towards a deity one needs to be able to appreciate the grandness of this gift that is human intelligence. And you have to ask yourself, why are we the only species, out of millions, that have achieved this type of intelligence? Evolution is about natural selection, but shouldn’t at least one other species, out of millions, have benefited from intelligence? I think so. And there would be a myriad of other intelligent species if there were no God. If you can appreciate the grandness and uniqueness of human intelligence, then you’ll understand why only humans were given this gift, and you'll know why what I've outlined here points to a God.

No it's not, for several reasons. Most of which I've stated above and others before me. Also, you're assuming that all intelligent life stops before we leave the atmosphere. Considering the universe is infinite, there has to be other intelligent life out there. It would be ignorant to assume otherwise.

[pomandrew]

Lastly, only humans worship God. Not only does this point towards a unique brand of intelligence, but it is also significant with respect to our status as the dominant species.

smoking is another activity unique to humans..