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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 3:56 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 2:46 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You want to kill something that could live for 80+ years, because you don't want to be inconveniences for 6-10 months, and you don't understand why some people have a problem with that? I think it's mostly a religious issue, promoted by male-dominated religions. So they could just as easily shift the burden by starting a bit earlier in the process. For example: if you masturbate, you are potentially destroying a human life. If you use a condom, or pull out before you ejaculate, or perform anal or oral sex, you are preventing the conception of a human being who might live for 80+ years because you don't want to be inconvenienced for 18 years.
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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 10:57 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 2:22 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: I know a lot of people take offense to the statement I'm about to make, but I really don't care in this instance. If you're not a woman, you should have no say in this debate at all.
I'll say it again: If you're not a woman, you should have no say in this debate.
Now, on an individual basis, I think most of the time the father's opinion should be considered, but that's as far as it goes.
My body, my choice. Fuck off if you think you have any right to tell me otherwise.
Well, this gets a bit sticky when for example, a woman is not on birth control, doesn't tell the dude she's sleeping with that little piece of info, gets pregnant, and expects the guy to pay child support until the kid is 18.
In such cases, then the women wants the guy to be responsible. Well, if you leave the man out of your decision to abort a baby, then you need to leave him out of your decision to have a baby, if you didn't take precautions against having a baby to begin with.
As women, we can't expect to have our cake and eat it too. 
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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 11:22 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Heywood Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: 1. Developing a child places the woman at risk, up to and including death
Eating is risky too....you might choke to death. If someone one chooses not to eat....you should not force feed them. Don't make your kids eat their peas.
You need to eat to live. You do not need to be pregnant to live. You're a fucking idiot. Donezo.
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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 11:31 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 3:56 pm)Tonus Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 2:46 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You want to kill something that could live for 80+ years, because you don't want to be inconveniences for 6-10 months, and you don't understand why some people have a problem with that? I think it's mostly a religious issue, promoted by male-dominated religions. So they could just as easily shift the burden by starting a bit earlier in the process. For example: if you masturbate, you are potentially destroying a human life. If you use a condom, or pull out before you ejaculate, or perform anal or oral sex, you are preventing the conception of a human being who might live for 80+ years because you don't want to be inconvenienced for 18 years.
A sperm is as much a potential human being as a tire is a potential car. A tire by itself has no potential to be a car and a sperm by itself has no potential to be a human being. Claims that masturbation kills future human beings are rubbish.
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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 11:32 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 2:22 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: I know a lot of people take offense to the statement I'm about to make, but I really don't care in this instance. If you're not a woman, you should have no say in this debate at all.
I'll say it again: If you're not a woman, you should have no say in this debate.
Now, on an individual basis, I think most of the time the father's opinion should be considered, but that's as far as it goes.
My body, my choice. Fuck off if you think you have any right to tell me otherwise.
Well, this gets a bit sticky when for example, a woman is not on birth control, doesn't tell the dude she's sleeping with that little piece of info, gets pregnant, and expects the guy to pay child support until the kid is 18.
In such cases, then the women wants the guy to be responsible. Well, if you leave the man out of your decision to abort a baby, then you need to leave him out of your decision to have a baby, if you didn't take precautions against having a baby to begin with.
As women, we can't expect to have our cake and eat it too.
How can a woman choose to abort a baby but have it at the same time?
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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 11:33 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Well, this gets a bit sticky when for example, a woman is not on birth control, doesn't tell the dude she's sleeping with that little piece of info, gets pregnant, and expects the guy to pay child support until the kid is 18.
It was my hope in specifying the due notice above that one cannot force another to have a child but has the ability to opt out within reason.
I've caught flak from extremists, men and women, over that.
Some believe men should practically be able to say "No" to a fully formed infant regardless, while others have told me "Having sex grants consent for having a child and a woman can have one and force the father to pay in all circumstances".
Both extremes can suck it.
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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 11:36 pm
(This post was last modified: May 20, 2014 at 11:37 pm by Autumnlicious.)
(May 20, 2014 at 11:32 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: How can a woman choose to abort a baby but have it at the same time?
She was referring to the situation where an accidental pregnancy resulting from a one night stand (i.e. No consent to have children together) has allowed some women to bear the child and get child support from the father regardless of original intent.
And that is a disparity I've covered above.
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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 11:47 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 11:31 pm)Heywood Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 3:56 pm)Tonus Wrote: I think it's mostly a religious issue, promoted by male-dominated religions. So they could just as easily shift the burden by starting a bit earlier in the process. For example: if you masturbate, you are potentially destroying a human life. If you use a condom, or pull out before you ejaculate, or perform anal or oral sex, you are preventing the conception of a human being who might live for 80+ years because you don't want to be inconvenienced for 18 years.
A sperm is as much a potential human being as a tire is a potential car. A tire by itself has no potential to be a car and a sperm by itself has no potential to be a human being. Claims that masturbation kills future human beings are rubbish.
By your own logic, a fetus by itself has no potential to be a person. Thanks have a nice day.
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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 11:49 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 11:31 pm)Heywood Wrote: A sperm is as much a potential human being as a tire is a potential car. A tire by itself has no potential to be a car and a sperm by itself has no potential to be a human being. Claims that masturbation kills future human beings are rubbish.
A clump of cells by itself also has no potential to be a human being. 
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RE: Pro-life atheists
May 20, 2014 at 11:52 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Well, this gets a bit sticky when for example, a woman is not on birth control, doesn't tell the dude she's sleeping with that little piece of info, gets pregnant, and expects the guy to pay child support until the kid is 18.
In such cases, then the women wants the guy to be responsible. Well, if you leave the man out of your decision to abort a baby, then you need to leave him out of your decision to have a baby, if you didn't take precautions against having a baby to begin with.
As women, we can't expect to have our cake and eat it too.
Ohh if only more women think like you. ![[Image: hell-yes-onion-head-emoticon.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=emoticoner.com%2Ffiles%2Femoticons%2Fonion-head%2Fhell-yes-onion-head-emoticon.gif)
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