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miracles and circumstances
May 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm
In yet another talk what was brought to the table was...
"God doesn't make bad things happen,that's the Devil,but God allows it to make you grow and test your faith."
any refutations? mine were...
Why is it that when good things happen you attribute it to God,but when not it's the devil? because who created the Devil in the first place?
The fact that God(an all knowing being) needs to test someone when it's clear he'd know the answer..makes no sense to me.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 29, 2014 at 9:20 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)k2490 Wrote: In yet another talk what was brought to the table was...
"God doesn't make bad things happen,that's the Devil,but God allows it to make you grow and test your faith."
any refutations? mine were...
Why is it that when good things happen you attribute it to God,but when not it's the devil? because who created the Devil in the first place?
The fact that God(an all knowing being) needs to test someone when it's clear he'd know the answer..makes no sense to me.
Pretty much what I'd ask.
I've gone in circles with people when I've said, "But an all knowing god wouldn't have to test the faith of its followers"
The dance begins in earnest then.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 29, 2014 at 9:32 pm
But, according to most christer faiths, gawd created Lucifer with full and perfect knowledge that Lucifer would rebel and become evil. Therefore, all bad/evil things come directly from gawd. 
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 29, 2014 at 10:20 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)k2490 Wrote: In yet another talk what was brought to the table was...
"God doesn't make bad things happen,that's the Devil,but God allows it to make you grow and test your faith."
any refutations? mine were...
Why is it that when good things happen you attribute it to God,but when not it's the devil? because who created the Devil in the first place?
The fact that God(an all knowing being) needs to test someone when it's clear he'd know the answer..makes no sense to me.
It's not what God needs to know, the test is for the individual to learn from.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 29, 2014 at 10:24 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 9:32 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: But, according to most christer faiths, gawd created Lucifer with full and perfect knowledge that Lucifer would rebel and become evil. Therefore, all bad/evil things come directly from gawd.
Even the Bible says that God created evil.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 29, 2014 at 10:26 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: (May 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)k2490 Wrote: In yet another talk what was brought to the table was...
"God doesn't make bad things happen,that's the Devil,but God allows it to make you grow and test your faith."
any refutations? mine were...
Why is it that when good things happen you attribute it to God,but when not it's the devil? because who created the Devil in the first place?
The fact that God(an all knowing being) needs to test someone when it's clear he'd know the answer..makes no sense to me.
It's not what God needs to know, the test is for the individual to learn from.
GC
So an all knowing god would know what lessons the person needs to learn and be able to tell them directly or through his sexless little puppets - I mean "angels".
But apparently he's unable to do that in modern times. Whereas it was supposedly quite common in the OT days.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 29, 2014 at 10:44 pm
Yeah, Whats up with the old Angel pony express? We don't hear from them anymore. Why did Angels suddenly become so shy in the age of cameras and science?
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 29, 2014 at 10:51 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 10:44 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Yeah, Whats up with the old Angel pony express? We don't hear from them anymore. Why did Angels suddenly become so shy in the age of cameras and science?
The God character and his angels died with the collapse of the Babylonian Empire. They won't return.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 9:00 am
(May 29, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Beccs Wrote: (May 29, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: It's not what God needs to know, the test is for the individual to learn from.
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So an all knowing god would know what lessons the person needs to learn and be able to tell them directly or through his sexless little puppets - I mean "angels".
But apparently he's unable to do that in modern times. Whereas it was supposedly quite common in the OT days.
RJA
You think a few stories about specific people includes an entire nation, that doesn't even make good sense. Life's hard knocks can be some of the best teachers.
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RE: miracles and circumstances
May 30, 2014 at 9:31 am
(May 30, 2014 at 9:00 am)Godschild Wrote: Life's hard knocks can be some of the best teachers.
I agree, but God is not required for this.
The problem of evil is a matter of God choosing to allow suffering when he could just as easily instruct in a manner that would eliminate suffering. This means that if God exists he is either a flaming asshole or is not omnipotent.
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