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June 10, 2014 at 5:30 pm
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(June 10, 2014 at 9:12 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Been a few months now and so far I got zero payoff. Squat. Diddly. I preferred my comfortable lie to this ugly truth, but having unplugged, I now can't plug myself back in or unthink what I thought.
I can't even have fun debating with christians because I would not want them to lose what I lost!
I think I'm going through the kuber Ross model for Yahweh and I'm stuck on anger.
Once you come to the understanding that the comfort is as fraudulent as the lie which supplied it, it will be better for you. And, given enough time, you will understand it. I understand what you're going through.
Either way, you're mostly helpless. It's a little bit easier knowing that I'm helpless against the random, dumb forces of the universe, rather than the active malice of a cruel and hateful god.
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June 10, 2014 at 5:33 pm
(June 10, 2014 at 5:21 pm)Black_Pegasus Wrote: Knowing that there isn't an afterlife... (partial quote - Bold added by me)
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June 10, 2014 at 5:39 pm
I went through an angry stage. I was pissed to find out the very thing that I thought was saving the world, was ruining the world and not taking responsibility for the aftermath. I think if I had to pinpoint where my anger lie, it was with the irresponsibleness of people. I felt burdened for awhile knowing that ignorance reigns supreme and I'm quite possibly the least effective person on this planet.
Here's the thing though. I decided to accept my world for the way it is and move forward in bettering it. One piece of trash at a time, one load of dishes saved at a time, and I now focus on being the best person I can be--for me.
That, that's priceless.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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June 10, 2014 at 5:57 pm
I'm sorry you're going through a rough time, Jacob.
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June 10, 2014 at 6:18 pm
(June 10, 2014 at 9:23 am)ThePinsir Wrote: Anyway, my "payoff", if you want to call it that, is a thirst for knowledge that I never really had as a Christian. Since "deconverting" back in January I've read every popular science book I can get my hands on, and I'm in the middle of reading Neitzche now. This almost certainly would've never happened if I'd stayed in that cult.
Why did you have to stop being a christian to have a thirst for knowledge? Can't christians have a thirst for knowledge? I always have.
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June 10, 2014 at 6:28 pm
Yeah, I hear you. The truth is just the truth. It doesn't come with frequent flyer miles. But yeah, I miss believing God had my back.
More hobbies btw I do NOT need. I already have the weekly dilemma of poker or jiu jitsu, my longbow is getting its summer workout, my ps3 gathers dust and I've started writing my monthly column for my industry journal again. I have a wife, 2 kids and work about 45 hours a week  . It's just harder to cope without my imaginary friend.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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June 10, 2014 at 6:33 pm
(June 10, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Yeah, I hear you. The truth is just the truth. It doesn't come with frequent flyer miles. But yeah, I miss believing God had my back.
More hobbies btw I do NOT need. I already have the weekly dilemma of poker or jiu jitsu, my longbow is getting its summer workout, my ps3 gathers dust and I've started writing my monthly column for my industry journal again. I have a wife, 2 kids and work about 45 hours a week . It's just harder to cope without my imaginary friend.
To make more time can you get rid of the wife and kids?
J/K
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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June 10, 2014 at 6:38 pm
(June 10, 2014 at 9:12 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Atheism sucks big hairy balls. Sorry, but it does. Personal view only you understand.
Been a few months now and so far I got zero payoff. Squat. Diddly. I preferred my comfortable lie to this ugly truth, but having unplugged, I now can't plug myself back in or unthink what I thought.
I can't even have fun debating with christians because I would not want them to lose what I lost!
I think I'm going through the kuber Ross model for Yahweh and I'm stuck on anger.
Welcome back Jacob. I missed you on the forum because your comments were usually reasonable and respectful, even if you didn't agree. Let me suggest that part of your problem is that you're looking for the point of view that causes you to receive the most benefits rather that what is the truth. Christianity isn't about what benefits you can get from it, but is about believing in and following God. We do reap benefits, but we also suffer along the way. Life is tough here and there's no escape from it. I struggle, but I receive comfort from knowing the truth and serving someone greater than myself and I look forward to something much better. Neither atheism, christianity or any other belief is going to make this world a playground. It seems apparent that your search may not be over and I do wish you the best.
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June 10, 2014 at 6:39 pm
(June 10, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: More hobbies btw I do NOT need. I already have the weekly dilemma of poker or jiu jitsu, my longbow is getting its summer workout, Combine those and you'll never lose at poker again.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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June 10, 2014 at 6:59 pm
(June 10, 2014 at 6:18 pm)Lek Wrote: Why did you have to stop being a christian to have a thirst for knowledge? Can't christians have a thirst for knowledge? I always have.
Christians frequently have a thirst for knowledge, but this thirst rarely extends beyond attempting to find reasons to justify a belief you'll hold even though you can't honestly justify it.
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