The Voice of God

[ShaMan]

Only if 'god' speaks through plants. Otherwise, I'm inclined to believe that god is a mute.

Can you describe how this speaking takes place?

I have never 'heard' a plant speak (audibly or otherwise). Have you ever put a plant in one spot of your home, only to have a nagging feeling that it should be placed elsewhere (despite the light conditions etc.)? Have you ever seen a plant that seemed to be inexplicably attractive to you, more so than to others who see the plant? Are there particular fruits and vegetables that bring you more joy or energy? These are the 'voices' of plants.

I work with clients who are in need of many things (jobs, lovers, money, etc.) and I sometimes make plant mixtures for them to use (whether ingested or applied topically, or simply sprayed into the air as a perfume). I base these varied (and individually unique) pusangas and remedies upon the types of 'communications' I previously mentioned with respect to plant 'voices'. There is no scientific reason why a mixture of bane, rosemary, and other herbs and flowers should be of any use in accomplishing any particular intended goal, yet it works.

The latest example I can give is when a client of mine felt that she was hitting a wall in finding a job, and she was concerned that she would never get a job again. After meeting with my client, I instructed her to take a nature walk, collecting flowers and plants that (were of interest for any reason at all) to her, and harvest a small amount of every plant that 'spoke' to her (This sometimes ends up with the client bringing in a huge bag of plants). I told my client that I'd do the same and we could meet in a few days to gather our plants together and make a remedy for removing a blockage to finding a job. We both selected the exact three (and only three) plants! We discussed the various chemical properties (science) of the plants and also the spiritual (esoteric) properties of the plants. I made a mixture, gave my client instructions on its usage, and within one week my client had not one, but four job offers on the table, including one that she had applied for over six months earlier.

I cannot give you evidence of how these things work, but I do have many years of personal experience in working with plants and 'listening' to them 'speak' their desire to help our race (Humans). If nothing else, I 'hear' them saying to us.... "Smoke a joint and chill-out!"

[YaAli21]

I'll answer this coming from the opinion of a Muslim. God does not talk to a normal person in a literal sense. You have to understand that when you trivialize these things, your doing so from a perspective of non belief. If you have made the connection that God is real, then is it outside the realm of possibility that some of your actions could indeed be guided by God... If you take the speaking to be literal, I don't think you really understand what they mean. Yes some Christians cannot decipher between there own fuzzy feeling and supposedly a God speaking to them due to feelings of euphoria at that time of realizing something exciting. Your argument as intended also does not implicitly deny God's existence as you alluded too, but just establishes that some God believing people cannot ascertain their own thoughts.

[ThePinsir]

I'll answer this coming from the opinion of a Muslim. God does not talk to a normal person in a literal sense. You have to understand that when you trivialize these things, your doing so from a perspective of non belief. If you have made the connection that God is real, then is it outside the realm of possibility that some of your actions could indeed be guided by God... If you take the speaking to be literal, I don't think you really understand what they mean. Yes some Christians cannot decipher between there own fuzzy feeling and supposedly a God speaking to them due to feelings of euphoria at that time of realizing something exciting. Your argument as intended also does not implicitly deny God's existence as you alluded too, but just establishes that some God believing people cannot ascertain their own thoughts.

So he talks in a sort of make-believe sense?



Exactly, that's kind of my point - to display how people are full of shit. They willingly suspend all critical thinking and hypnotize themselves into believing that a tiny "voice" in their heads is actually the omnipotent creator of the universe ---telling them what dress to wear to church.

I made a mixture, gave my client instructions on its usage, and within one week my client had not one, but four job offers on the table, including one that she had applied for over six months earlier.

I certainly appreciate you taking the time to type that out for me. It was an interesting read to be sure.

But, for the part I quoted:

"Post hoc ergo propter hoc". Correlation does not equal causation. She could have used your mixture, and the next day turned in more resumes, etc. If you could reproduce those results in some sort of laboratory setting, I'd be hella impressed. James Randi would also give you $1million.

[Faith No More]

My favorite has always been the guy that came here and claimed that god talked to him through digital clocks.

[ThePinsir]

My favorite has always been the guy that came here and claimed that god talked to him through digital clocks.

Must've been before my time - or else he was laughed away before I had a chance to read the thread

[ShaMan]

"Post hoc ergo propter hoc". Correlation does not equal causation. She could have used your mixture, and the next day turned in more resumes, etc.

Thanks for your interest and response. I agree that correlation does not equal causation. She did in fact strengthen her efforts toward securing employment, and I'm not adverse to the power of suggestion playing a major role in her linking the two events and thus attributing the success of one as being the result of the other. In fact, I freely admit that I rely heavily upon a client's inner ability to discern and address their problems, and if they are somehow able to use their experience with me to tap into their own inner reserves, then I am pleased. My goal is to help people have what they want, so long as it provides a help, and is not harmful.

If you could reproduce those results in some sort of laboratory setting, I'd be hella impressed.

Having read what I just wrote in response, I think that a personal consultation and experience would provide you with preferable results to some sort of cold test. After all, healing is not about the recipe for the pudding, but in the taste of the pudding itself, and the proof is in the pudding

[Cyberman]

I've had people talk to me when I've been alone - not on the electric telephone either. Usually as I've been in that twilight region between sleep and wakefulness, where my body and senses are fully alert but my mind is drifting into sleep. Were I of a religious mindset I might attribute this to a god or demon. However, I'm fully aware of hos powerful the dreaming mind can be and how completely the illusion can seem. Nothing to do with sanity or lack thereof, merely an audiitory hallucination caused by a waking dream state.

One time, back in the day, I heard my Sam (who was visiting friends three floors up) outside the bedroom and calling my name in some distress. I leaped out of bed and flung wide the door, but I was alone. I even went out onto the landing and up the stairs - how I'd explain my nakedidity to the neighbours was the farthest thing from my mind - but nothing. It was about an hour later that I heard her tapping her way down the stairs and in through the door, safe and unconcerned. I wonder how many 'god' experiences have the same explanation?

[ShaMan]

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[Thumpalumpacus]

To our resident Christians:

A lot of you say god talks to you. I used to hear it in church ALL the time, ALL THE DAMN TIME, and I still see it on facebook a lot. "God told me this or god told me to do that!" "God gave me this message!" "God told me to play this piece of music!" "God told me to give more money to the church!" "God told me that something amazing will happen in your life today!" Well, I have a few questions for you Christians concerning this communication:

1) When god speaks to you, is it an audible voice? Could you capture it with a sound recorder?
2) If not, is it a voice in your head?
3) If it is indeed a voice in your head, are there any means by which you can be CERTAIN it's not YOU talking, and simply wishing really hard it's god? Can you verify that this voice in your head can not possible come from something else?
4) Is the communication in English?
5) Does god have an accent?
6) Or is the communication from god just some sort of warm, fuzzy feeling you get?

And -- why haven't you asked him about the winning lottery numbers? I know damn sure I would, if ole Jimi was talkin' to me.

[Godscreated]

To our resident Christians:

A lot of you say god talks to you. I used to hear it in church ALL the time, ALL THE DAMN TIME, and I still see it on facebook a lot. "God told me this or god told me to do that!" "God gave me this message!" "God told me to play this piece of music!" "God told me to give more money to the church!" "God told me that something amazing will happen in your life today!"

Many Christians say they hear God, I have my doubts about most because of what He was said to have spoken. You can watch people in church and see who's trying to either impress or are wanting to hear something from God because others do and they do not. Then there are those with their own agendas for the church or their lives, God will only reveal His agenda to those who seek it.
Then you have those who say God has spoken to them but it was through leading them, not actually speaking to them and if God leads them through scripture and it lines up with what is going on in the church I will believe they have heard from God. God can speak to people in various forms but if it doesn't stand the test of scripture I will always doubt it happened to them.

Well, I have a few questions for you Christians concerning this communication:

I'll try to answer these the best I can, however some of it will be my opinion through my relationship with God.

1) When god speaks to you, is it an audible voice? Could you capture it with a sound recorder?

I think it could be considered an audible voice because one seems to hear, however I think not, it's so clear it seems that way. To the second part, no, that goes against faith and free will, simple as that.

2) If not, is it a voice in your head?

Like I said above there probably is no audible voice, yet the message could be thought of as mind revealed, you really don't think someone's going to hear something through their foot, right. God works with the physical and spiritual body.

3) If it is indeed a voice in your head, are there any means by which you can be CERTAIN it's not YOU talking, and simply wishing really hard it's god? Can you verify that this voice in your head can not possible come from something else?

The best verification is in the scriptures, as a matter of fact if what one hears or understands is revealed doesn't fit scripture one should question what they thought was told to them.

4) Is the communication in English?

Seems to me that would depend on the language one spoke. If you are implying an unknown language it's very doubtful, who would translate.

5) Does god have an accent?

This question makes me believe you were never serious to begin with.

6) Or is the communication from god just some sort of warm, fuzzy feeling you get?

Anyone who believes in warm fuzzy feelings are in my opinion are looking for a god that suits there desires, this relationship with God is about God not necessarily about us, though we do benefit greatly from it. I'm not saying we have no part in the relationship, God wants us active in it but, the greater part of the relationship is desiring to do God's will for others.

Now, consider that god does not talk to atheists. Would you consider that this is because of a strong conformation bias? Would you say that this may be because in order to "hear from god" you must delude yourself into thinking he exists, then you suddenly start making up a voice in your head and saying it's god?

Here again this shows me you're not serious in your asking, what a shame, then you wonder why Christians will not open up to you, (you represents most of the atheist here, but not all.)

Bonus points:

7) What about Satan? Have you ever heard the devil or any demons talk to you?

Please send me a big wad of cash after I answer this question, that's all that seems required to receive the bonus, I can't spend points on woodworking tools.
This question is the one you and all non-believers need to worry about, because Satan and his demons are allowed to work in this way.

Now to how I've recognized God speaking to me, once it was a one word message that was so clear it seemed as if it were spoken, I knew it wasn't audible, but a revelation to a question I had about scripture that I asked about in prayer for quite a long time. The answer didn't come, so I believed God wasn't going to answer this question. Months later it came, long after I had even though about the question, like I said I had given up on the answer, God has His own time and the answer fit into my life at an appropriate time.

Later in life I had another question for God about a certain story in scripture, it actually was about a particular part of the story, I knew it was something I could not answer but, it was something that had been on my mind for a long time. Again I had moved on to other things in the church and hoped one day to receive an answer. Then one day driving home it came, it was an answer that should have taken at least a few minutes to receive, but it was instant, I had an understanding of a question as if it was something I had known for years, but that was impossible, I could have never imagined this answer because it wasn't something I had ever considered.

There have been other case not many but some I know for a fact came to me from God, doubt all you desire, just know I never came here to lie or make up stories and do not do so.

GC