Humanity makes me want to puke.;;help ?

[Pippy]

Humanity is not that bad.

We have symphonies and childhood, sharing and potluck dinners, a vast array of languages and cultural traditions. Many colours, shapes, types. When you consider how similar we are genetically, we are so different. When you consider how similar we are genetically to a lettuce, we are very special.

We have music and painting and engineering and games and many, many kinds of hat.

If we are picking on the apparent 5 billion whiny and weak willed believers, what about the 5 billion people with no scrap of wonder or mystery, who demand being self-righteous and only using things that have evidence (usually said evidence is a sponsored study or even just an advertisement)?

Stop lumping people who believe in god in with religious idiots. It makes me have to be on their side, when I could be on yours.

Heh,
-Pip

[Rev. Rye]

This post might be biased because i am coming out of a conversation that really upset me.

The person i was talking to was saying that what Hitler did, massacring all the Jews, was okay, because they brought it on themselves by acting superior to the German people. The person that said that is college educated, smart, and overall friendly. This caused me to wonder.

Yes, I've heard some similar arguments. "Well, maybe if those Jews didn't poison our wells...."

..is there anyone that has an argument as to why humanity is not really that bad ?

Well, I do tend to lean towards the "Humans are Bastards" edge of the spectrum of idealism and cynicism, if only because, of all the species in the world, ours is the one of the only ones that kills for the sake of killing (as opposed to killing for self-protection, or nourishment), and the only one to have put the existence of the rest of them in jeopardy.

But really, I think that the following words of H.L. Mencken, he was asked why he continued to live in America when he believed that there was, to him, no redeeming features of it, he simply replied "Why do men go to zoos?" This is, to me the secret of living with a humanity no longer worth believing in.

[Minimalist]

We have symphonies and childhood, sharing and potluck dinners, a vast array of languages and cultural traditions.

We also have a tradition of hunting down people who speak other languages or who have different cultural traditions and beating them to death.

You're an optimist, Pip.

[Watson]

I'm with Pip on this one, the optimistic side of life is far truer, I think, than the pessimistic one. Depending on how you look at it, of course.

We humans may not be perfect, but we have some wonderful things to us, namely literature, music, love, art, expression and thought. Dreams are another big one. We aren't perfect, like I said, but there's a lot of beauty to us in that fact; we're not perfect, but we don't have to be.

As for the discussion you had; fuck that person. That is all.

[Minimalist]

Yeah.....




we're fucking wonderful!

[Pippy]

Both points have merit, we are a crazed and dangerous species, and we are very highly regarded for our creation and inspirations.

The point is you have to choose. Pick positive, not negative.

I take no credit for the torture of Cutbert Simson, I had not yet been born. Why would you relate to that? And I don't support the killing of others halfway around the world, usually called war. I have always been a vocal peacemaker. So sure, some humans are fucked up. Not I though.

I could choose to look at the dark side and I could complain about mans inhumanity, it woul dbe scathing and honest. But I choose to look at the bright side, if only to motivate myself to be better.

[Zenith]

This post might be biased because i am coming out of a conversation that really upset me.

The person i was talking to was saying that what Hitler did, massacring all the Jews, was okay, because they brought it on themselves by acting superior to the German people. The person that said that is college educated, smart, and overall friendly. This caused me to wonder.

I know so many good people that are bigots, that hate Gays, Jews, Blacks, or other minorities for stupid reason and claim they all think alike, are all the same, live by stereotypes.
They include, in the people close to me, some of my friends, my grandparents on my father's side, my father himself, some of my teachers...

Currently over 5 Billion people are so scared of their own mortality that they need to comfort themselves in baseless ideas about invisible creators living in the sky, and are controlled by this fear.

...i guess i am losing faith in humanity...is there anyone that has an argument as to why humanity is not really that bad ?

humanity is not that bad - it's much worse than that! And no group (atheists, christians, deists, etc.) are better than the other (better, I mean to do good one to another, not to hate each other for stupid reasons, to be kind, nice, etc.). It is even possible for another genocide to occur - perhaps the jews will be slaughtered once again because now, "they invented the holocaust to occupy the land of Palestine" and did other 'evil' things; perhaps the gypsies will be slaughtered, perhaps the people of a religious group will be next, who knows?

I have lost my faith in humanity long ago. If you look around you'll see that "faith" in humanity is based on no 'evidence' of it being good, but it's only a faith - a desire to be so. You only need to look around everywhere, and you'll see that the people that are not desirable to live in our society are many, and that they do not belong only to certain groups (christians, atheists, democrats, liberals, etc.) - they are in every group, and too few in a specific group are really desirable. Then, if you are careful to see how delusional people are and how stupid (they do not study to see how things are, but only expect others to tell them the truths so that themselves would follow), then you'll again get disappointed. You even see people with high education that fall to ridiculous stupidities and believe them - what to say about the rest? And atheists are not superior here either - damn it, every documentary that uses the word "SCIENCE" extensively becomes so fascinating and believable, no matter how much bullshit (non-scientific things) they put in it! you may get aliens, seeing the future from the zodiac (oh my, and there are plenty who believe that their future is written, or it's possible to be written in stars), a full reptilian story, things combined with the eastern religions (hindusim, buddhism, claiming that we are all a "one" entity, one mind or something), 'secrets' revealed by zeitgeist, etc. and they all put themselves a "science" label. Damn it, I've even heard somebody saying "science says". And if you look around you'll see that everybody has the SOLUTION for the idealistic society: muslims - if there are no more infidels left; christians - if all would be christians; atheists - if religions will be gone; etc. There is no "if we tried to live together in peace", but only a hatred and despise towards the other groups, which would more pleasantly be resolved by a war rather than 'educative' methods.

There can never be peace among human beings, there can never be an idealistic society (except if all are kept in a regime such as Hitler's, where you are not allowed to be different), we cannot destroy corruption, cannot make everybody live a happy life, cannot make all people kind and good and care for each other. And some delusional people put their faith in evolution to make things better - but evolution has only proven the contrary: the first few cells that were born must have not killed anything, but were consuming resources directly from nature; then we had cells eating (i.e. killing) cells, fish eating fish, reptiles eating reptiles and fish, etc. and we have ended up with the human being that kills more than any other being (killing fish, reptiles, birds, etc.) and kills his own kind even for no reason - which the 'other' animals don't. The human being is more destructive and more evil than any other being on the planet, and if evolution brought us here, how can we expect it to make us more kind and more nice and more caring? On the contrary, as things have gone so far, we should become more vile, more destructive and worse murderers! This is our nature, and no education can fix it - it can only mask it in model citizens that appear good and nice, but are likewise ready to kill - if being allowed to or suggested/taught to.

THIS is what humanity has proven to be like, and one can only have a foolish 'faith' based on rather contrary evidence, to believe that things are going in the 'right' direction (towards a paradisaical, idealistic society).

[Violet]

N-N-Nekkkkkkkkkkro post!!!!!

There infact can be peace among human beings. It arrives as fast as a bullet to the heart.

I don't think humans are evil. Now Psilon... those fuckers are EVIL.

Psilon are so evil that I kill them with Mauler Device's (Cruel Brutal Damage) and don't even feel sorry. I will never shed a tear for a psilon.

[Zenith]

N-N-Nekkkkkkkkkkro post!!!!!

Nekro? my poor english, I found in dictionary only Necro. Is Nekro a name?

Anyway, sorry if that sounded too harsh. It was simply the misanthropy speaking out of me... but I thought you'd figure.

There infact can be peace among human beings. It arrives as fast as a bullet to the heart.

Especially after the bullet in the heart - then peace truly settles.
Anyway, I meant humanity as a whole: I can be at peace with you, you can be at peace with me, we can be at peace with others. But when we talk about the humanity as a whole, the truth is clear enough: there will always be violence, there will never be everlasting peace - from personal relationships to neighborhoods to countries and to international relationships.

I don't think humans are evil. Now Psilon... those fuckers are EVIL.

Psilon are so evil that I kill them with Mauler Device's (Cruel Brutal Damage) and don't even feel sorry. I will never shed a tear for a psilon.

Depending on what you understand of "humans": Human nature is indeed evil (destructive, violent, hateful, etc.) and it conforms very well with the theory of evolution: kill others so you would live, kill others so that yourself would have a better life, etc. With so many people the humanity has killed, and the number they were able to kill, it is a wonder that we are still alive! (or yeah, perhaps we should wait for the 3rd world war - then we'll have a lot of nuclear bombs).

So it seems that evolution must work against evolution: according to the theory of evolution, a man kills others to ensure his survival. But if we count the very wise people that have been killed by idiots (which is also against evolution: the wise should have not fallen to the idiot) and the destructions they have caused, we can say that the evolutive nature of man utterly impedes evolution (the progress of society, technology, etc.). Just imagine how it would have been if people had stopped fighting to survive (struggling for evolution) and would have ceased killing people and destroy, but instead built together in peace and harmony: if this started 2000 years ago, by 500 AD we might have had a society more developed (evolved) than today!

I still can't figure a thing about evolution: if evolution is born by the need of a being to survive, then why did the first cell evolve? Then there was the perfection on earth: no death, no killing, no struggling for survival, but instead the cell would have had anything it needed to survive (which, for it, didn't mean too much).

[Violet]

Nekro? my poor english, I found in dictionary only Necro. Is Nekro a name?

Anyway, sorry if that sounded too harsh. It was simply the misanthropy speaking out of me... but I thought you'd figure.

I despise the following letters of the english language: C. Q. X.

They are entirely replaceable. There is both K and S, there is no need for a letter that can change to being either of these.

Kw entirely replaces Qu, why have another underused letter when it is entirely unneeded?

Ks and Z and Eks replace every for of X, and do so without confusion of which one it will be at a given time.

There are other things I despise, such as using 'G' to make sounds that belong to 'J', but that isn't to remove a letter.

I so prefer Russian

Especially after the bullet in the heart - then peace truly settles.
Anyway, I meant humanity as a whole: I can be at peace with you, you can be at peace with me, we can be at peace with others. But when we talk about the humanity as a whole, the truth is clear enough: there will always be violence, there will never be everlasting peace - from personal relationships to neighborhoods to countries and to international relationships.

There doesn't even need to be particular violence to upset peace... only activity. And I hope that there never will be peace, no matter how inevitable it is.

Depending on what you understand of "humans": Human nature is indeed evil (destructive, violent, hateful, etc.) and it conforms very well with the theory of evolution: kill others so you would live, kill others so that yourself would have a better life, etc. With so many people the humanity has killed, and the number they were able to kill, it is a wonder that we are still alive! (or yeah, perhaps we should wait for the 3rd world war - then we'll have a lot of nuclear bombs).

*Examines a Zeon Missile*

And they are worried about nukes? This sucker could annihilate an entire star system if it lacked shielding. And yet it is but scratches a Class XX Planetary Shield overlapping a Class XV deflector shield. It is kind of fascinating that we've been able to concentrate the blast of such a missile into a variety of modulations while they are still in the same missile. I don't think even photons are left. Modifiable deflector shield on the missile to manage its trajectory... it's brilliant.

So it seems that evolution must work against evolution: according to the theory of evolution, a man kills others to ensure his survival. But if we count the very wise people that have been killed by idiots (which is also against evolution: the wise should have not fallen to the idiot) and the destructions they have caused, we can say that the evolutive nature of man utterly impedes evolution (the progress of society, technology, etc.). Just imagine how it would have been if people had stopped fighting to survive (struggling for evolution) and would have ceased killing people and destroy, but instead built together in peace and harmony: if this started 2000 years ago, by 500 AD we might have had a society more developed (evolved) than today!

I still can't figure a thing about evolution: if evolution is born by the need of a being to survive, then why did the first cell evolve? Then there was the perfection on earth: no death, no killing, no struggling for survival, but instead the cell would have had anything it needed to survive (which, for it, didn't mean too much).

Evolution is survival of the lucky. How does it go against evolution that the unlucky die off?

Perfection is peace? You're hardly using the same understanding as I am.