Why are deists so annoying?

[DeistPaladin]

What's with all these letters!? What is OTOH?

AFAIK: As far as I know.
YMMV: Your mileage may vary
IMO: In my opinion
IMHO: In my humble opinion
OTOH: On the other hand

All I can think of for now.

[Losty]

What's with all these letters!? What is OTOH?

AFAIK: As far as I know.
YMMV: Your mileage may vary
IMO: In my opinion
IMHO: In my humble opinion
OTOH: On the other hand

All I can think of for now.

OMIPU?

[The Grand Nudger]

TMFA

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Too many fucking acronyms

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[Napoléon]

However, if it's an instinctive or emotionally held belief and the believer has admitted to having no proof, what possible value is does badgering him with the fact he has no proof serve?

Yeah, I'm just gonna chime in and say, this is totally not what I've been doing throughout this thread, you've misrepresented me here.

I never once asked him for proof. I haven't been badgering him for proof. If you actually read what I've wrote you'd know that. I don't care about him providing evidence, all I was asking for was for him to explain why he believes, why he's being irrational. Why he's happy to be irrational on the point about god but not other things

I'm not gonna respond to DP again unless he really wants me to, I can't see the discussion going much further. He has given answers and though I don't find many of them satisfactory, I don't see much more point in prolonging this and making more of it than necessary.


As for not questioning people just because their beliefs are emotional, or they're instinctive, or because it serves no purpose, or because he's a deist, or whatever other ridiculous assertion, that's total and absolute bullshit. Nobody's beliefs should be immune to scrutiny, regardless of whether they're shoving said beliefs down everyone else's throat, or whether that belief is part of a larger doctrine. None of that matters. What matters is that someone is being irrational when it comes to what they believe. It's not bad to question that. It's not wrong. It's not purposeless. A belief may be harmless enough sure, but that's completely besides every point I've ever made in this thread.

[Losty]

TMFA

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Too many fucking acronyms

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I can actually appreciate this one
I just can't keep up with all these. First world problems.

[Dystopia]

DeistPaladin, something I fail to understand - I usually assume believers have some kind of wishful thinking mechanism, they believe because they want it to be true, because it makes them feel good, happier, and sometimes smarter (I've noticed this is the case for some deists, the activity of making intellectual or philosophical statements about the universe and what caused it in the first place), but I fail to see any compelling reasons for you to believe. If you said you believed in an afterlife, that would be an enough reason for me to assume wishful thinking coming from your mind, since the thought gives comfort to many people, it gives them hope for a better outcome after death... You don't seem to hold beliefs regarding an existence after our death, post mortem, of any kind, nor do you seem to believe in ghosts, spirits, haunted houses, souls... So why believe in the first place? I've met many deists on the internet that believe in an afterlife and the human soul/spirituality, I can understand the benefits of keeping beliefs that grant a person happiness while it frees them from the shackles of religious dogma, very few deists I've argued with lack belief in an afterlife, so this brings back my question, why do you believe at all? Just curious, I've met one deist who thought like you, he believed in a god that was very similar to Einstein's 'god' but he repulsed the idea of an afterlife or life outside the brain.

Don't see this as a personal attack, just sheer curiosity from a non believer.

[Napoléon]

Essentially what I've been trying to get at all thread ^ damn you blackout.

[Dystopia]

Essentially what I've been trying to get at all thread ^ damn you blackout.

Oh I didn't read it all, only the first part of you two's argue, I was just curious, I saw DP's opening thread and I noticed he doesn't believe in ghosts or afterlives, so he pretty much thinks the same way we do, except there's a god.

[Napoléon]

Oh I didn't read it all, only the first part of you two's argue, I was just curious, I saw DP's opening thread and I noticed he doesn't believe in ghosts or afterlives, so he pretty much thinks the same way we do, except there's a god.

I wasn't having a go I was more saying that I'm not the best at putting my points across succinctly.

[Dystopia]

Oh I didn't read it all, only the first part of you two's argue, I was just curious, I saw DP's opening thread and I noticed he doesn't believe in ghosts or afterlives, so he pretty much thinks the same way we do, except there's a god.

I wasn't having a go I was more saying that I'm not the best at putting my points across succinctly.

Something minimizing works best than making a very complicated philosophical point, deists accuse me of bad rhetoric because I make my arguments very simple sometimes, but why make an elaborate statement about 'Red being red, instead of Red being blue'?