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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 1:50 pm
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(August 13, 2014 at 12:16 pm)Drich Wrote: The ABC is ASk, Seek Knock. The 123 is the indwellment of the holy Spirit. Meaning God becomes apart of you. If you are faithful to what you have been given in the way of the Holy Spirit, More (understanding/Spiritual gifts) will be given.
The Holy Spirit/God will personally guide and direct you.
So you say.
Yet you have not explained how we should go about determining whether your experience is anything other than a natural brain state being misinterpreted by your confirmation bias.
You have not explained how we should go about determining whether similar experiences that people of other religions have are not legitimate, and yours is not.
Lets say we sincerely attempt what you claim is a sure fire method and we get no results. How do we go about determining whether we are doing something wrong, or that there is simply nothing there?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 1:57 pm
(August 13, 2014 at 12:16 pm)Drich Wrote: The 123 is the indwellment of the holy Spirit. Meaning God becomes apart of you.
If God is everything how could God not already be every part of you? Are you sure you're qualified to judge which bits are godly which not? I guess what I'm trying to ask is why you think anyone should listen to you regarding any of this.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 2:05 pm
(August 13, 2014 at 8:52 am)Drich Wrote: (August 12, 2014 at 11:01 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Drich, are you God? You sure do speak for him a lot.
I speak where the Spirit gives me utterance. (A Spiritual Gift) If at any point any of you want BCV to back up what i have said simply ask for it.
No thanks. I lend no credence to circular reasoning, special pleading, nor any of the other fallacies you employ to try to get skeptics to stop being skeptical.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 2:32 pm
(August 13, 2014 at 12:03 pm)oukoida Wrote: Quote: If you seek evidence then ask Him for it. Seek it out until you find it. But first you must understand what evidence is being offered.
By asking him, one should presuppose his existence. By seeking him, the only evidence one would have would be in their own mind. Such "evidence", consisting of actions supposedly operated by god for the good of the seeker, could not be confirmed by another observer (who could dismiss it as coincidences or as products of the seeker's good will and ability), thus would not be objective.
the same could be said about one person true feelings of loving another. Just because Love cant always be objectified does it too ceases to exist?
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 2:34 pm
(August 13, 2014 at 1:57 pm)whateverist Wrote: Are you sure you're qualified to judge which bits are godly which not? I guess what I'm trying to ask is why you think anyone should listen to you regarding any of this.
I asked him the same question some 5 pages ago and he simply ignored it... Go figure why...
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 2:35 pm
(August 13, 2014 at 2:32 pm)Drich Wrote: (August 13, 2014 at 12:03 pm)oukoida Wrote: By asking him, one should presuppose his existence. By seeking him, the only evidence one would have would be in their own mind. Such "evidence", consisting of actions supposedly operated by god for the good of the seeker, could not be confirmed by another observer (who could dismiss it as coincidences or as products of the seeker's good will and ability), thus would not be objective.
the same could be said about one person true feelings of loving another. Just because Love cant always be objectified does it too ceases to exist?
Please don't try and compare a subjective human emotion linked to brain chemistry and the release of hormones to the existence of a supernatural creator-god figure. It's sloppy and dishonest.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 2:36 pm
(August 13, 2014 at 1:57 pm)whateverist Wrote: (August 13, 2014 at 12:16 pm)Drich Wrote: The 123 is the indwellment of the holy Spirit. Meaning God becomes apart of you.
If God is everything how could God not already be every part of you? Are you sure you're qualified to judge which bits are godly which not? I guess what I'm trying to ask is why you think anyone should listen to you regarding any of this.
Because he's A/S/Ked and found himself. Clearly, he's the authority 
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 2:36 pm
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(August 13, 2014 at 2:32 pm)Drich Wrote: the same could be said about one person true feelings of loving another. Just because Love cant always be objectified does it too ceases to exist?
You're confusing the feelings of love with the object of it, just as you're confusing the feelings that "God" is there with the god itself. We all know you get the warm fuzzies; you're not unique in that. Where we differ is the interpretation of them. What is in question is how you feel justified in extrapolating "God" from your feelings.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 2:37 pm
(August 13, 2014 at 2:32 pm)Drich Wrote: (August 13, 2014 at 12:03 pm)oukoida Wrote: By asking him, one should presuppose his existence. By seeking him, the only evidence one would have would be in their own mind. Such "evidence", consisting of actions supposedly operated by god for the good of the seeker, could not be confirmed by another observer (who could dismiss it as coincidences or as products of the seeker's good will and ability), thus would not be objective.
the same could be said about one person true feelings of loving another. Just because Love cant always be objectified does it too ceases to exist?
Love is not an entity.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 2:43 pm
(August 13, 2014 at 12:19 pm)FlowingFlame Wrote: Pretty heavy SPAGing here. Who are you to say that God isn't simply leading him down a more winding path on the way to enlightenment? Do you know more than God? Again I am not looking at titles nor religious terminology. I am looking at what the believer believes. Enlightment salvation who says they are not the same if one were to only look at the words we elect to use. It is the definations and how the words are used in conjunction to what is believed that determines whether a man stands of falls before God.
Quote:Knowing God is not about behaivor. Biblicaly Christianity centers relationship, not the way we act.
Quote:https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ESV
Seems to me it's better to have both. Is your flavor of Christianity special in this? Can you be a shitty human being your whole life and still get into heaven if you regularly chat with God? Wouldn't heaven be filled with a bunch of insincere assholes if this worked?
It is possiable to have one without the other.. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?
That is why I said the focous is not on works, rather Belief that fosters works.
Quote:I tried doing this over and over when I was a little girl yet all I got were more urges to know what it felt like to touch the other girls slender wrists or run my fingertips along the curves of their necks. Is... is God a lesbian? I followed the evidence I found in prayer and can determine that yes, yes It is.
Well, good luck with that line of reasoning.[/quote]
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