refuting misconceptions:1-women in Islam

[Minimalist]

thats really illogical to say that jesus didnt exist as the people believed in him wasnt monkeys or stupid and even the jews who was fighting this religion so much never claimed that in the time after jesus(pbuh)

Hey, mohammed. Do you trot that silly canard out when it suits you or have you taken it to its logical conclusion? Did Osiris "exist?" Thor? Ishtar? Quetzlcoatl? Tammuz? Mithra?

ALL gods - including yours - are made up by men.

[Scented Nectar]

@ scented how come you trust people talking on the internet and dont search for yourself?? i have made a thread i mentioned a lot of scientific facts mentioned in the Quran and they are so clear and you just ignored that and take the opinion of youtube girls thats really wierd. anyway i will get to the scientific facts in the Quran later in details as am preparing now a thread about atheism as till now i didnt have enough knowledge about it but for now i will write the verse the girl talking about which she didnt even mention it:
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"(Quran 21:30)
plz get back to the subject i will get to this in details

That is ZOMGitscriss. She makes a lot of sense Mo, and your book doesn't make sense. It's just fairy tale nonsense and nasty rules written by humans. Prove to me otherwise by first proving that the god in your book exists. I can't trust any humans who simply state such a wild ridiculous claim, even ones named Mohammed who are thought of as prophets. You have given me no reason to believe any of that koran stuff is true. If you can't prove it is true, then how can you expect anyone to believe what it says about women, or the rules people should live by, or anything else?

Every living thing did NOT come from water. And there has never been seen any evidence or even hint that any heavenly afterlife is real. How is it scientific to make statements about heaven joining and then leaving earth? If you are trying to say that heaven now means all of the universe *except earth*, well that's just silly. Earth IS still part of the universe, it's never been separated that we humans know of. Who is the 'we' mentioned about in that book verse? I hope you're not actually presenting that verse as some sort of scientific statement, because it makes no sense when examined.

Anyways, we already know that the koran is false. There are no gods or goddesses. No religion is true. There are no angels or demons or devils or any of that imaginary stuff. Why do you believe it's true? You've never seen any of the ones your religion is claiming, like your god or angels or jinni. You have no proof that some human named Mohammed was having direct communication with islam's god. It's very likely he was just simply either a schizophrenic or a con-man who wanted people to follow him. We KNOW that those two types of people DO exist. So what is more likely? A magical god who used telepathy to tell one human some rules (why didn't he just tell everyone himself? - then there would be no unbelievers!)? Or common human ways of thinking/behaving such as schizos and con-men, and Mohammed was one of these?

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Hey, She's hot!

She is. She also makes great videos. Here's her followup one to that last one:

[youtube]bb1c9oLgWPw[/youtube]

[Zen Badger]

Hey, She's hot!

She is. She also makes great videos. Here's her followup one to that last one:

[youtube]bb1c9oLgWPw[/youtube]

Care to refute her quotes from the koran Mo?

[Dotard]

She needs more clevage.

[Zen Badger]

I'm not quite sure what your purpose here is Mo.

Do you think that if you are able to convince us that despite all of the violence, murder and human degradation committed in the name of allah and mu-mu(feb)(translated, fuck 'em both)
that islam is really a nice shiny happy religion we will all convert?

Aaah no, not going to happen.

Still no evidence and until that happens...........

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P.s she is hot because not only is she gorgeous, she has a brain.

Intellectual women turn me on.

[Minimalist]

http://sheikyermami.com/2009/10/18/somal...cing-tits/

Somalia: War on Bouncing Tits…

Residents said gunmen had been rounding up any woman seen with a firm bust and then had them publicly whipped by masked men. The women were then told to remove their bras and shake their breasts.

I don't get it. In the US that costs extra!

[mo3taz3nbar]

Prove to me otherwise by first proving that the god in your book exists. I can't trust any humans who simply state such a wild ridiculous claim, even ones named Mohammed who are thought of as prophets. You have given me no reason to believe any of that koran stuff is true. If you can't prove it is true, then how can you expect anyone to believe what it says about women, or the rules people should live by, or anything else?

i made a thread about the reasons that made me believe before but i think it was so big thats why some of you didnt read it so i will write about each reason independetly.my next threads will be the stages i passed through before i become a believer i think this will make things more clear

Every living thing did NOT come from water

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/propertyyou.html

How is it scientific to make statements about heaven joining and then leaving earth? If you are trying to say that heaven now means all of the universe *except earth*, well that's just silly. Earth IS still part of the universe, it's never been separated that we humans know of. Who is the 'we' mentioned about in that book verse? I hope you're not actually presenting that verse as some sort of scientific statement, because it makes no sense when examined.

the heavens means the skies and the verse says that the earth and the skies was one unit then they was seperated i dont see the problem here its that easy and it doesnt mean that we are not still in the universe but of course now we are not joined as one entity

Why do you believe it's true? You've never seen any of the ones your religion is claiming, like your god or angels or jinni. You have no proof that some human named Mohammed was having direct communication with islam's god.

not everything you must see by your eyes to believe it sometimes you can use logic and reasoning denying everything you didnt see is not logic and of course you dont do it in everything you just do that in religion

It's very likely he was just simply either a schizophrenic or a con-man who wanted people to follow him. We KNOW that those two types of people DO exist. So what is more likely? A magical god who used telepathy to tell one human some rules (why didn't he just tell everyone himself? - then there would be no unbelievers!)? Or common human ways of thinking/behaving such as schizos and con-men, and Mohammed was one of these?

you are stuck in the wrong stage asking questions like that really make sense but the next step is to start searching for answers dont just claim things and believe it without evidence and your evidance must not be opinion of others you have to find it by yourself and if you hear opinion of someone you must analyze it by yourself.about why dont god tell us everything by himself so there will be no believers.there will be always non believers whatever happens some will find their way to not believe and also you must understand why we are here in order to start asking why dont god show us himself

I'm not quite sure what your purpose here is Mo.

Do you think that if you are able to convince us that despite all of the violence, murder and human degradation committed in the name of allah and mu-mu(feb)(translated, fuck 'em both)
that islam is really a nice shiny happy religion we will all convert?

Aaah no, not going to happen.

Still no evidence and until that happens...........

my aim at the begining was to just understand about atheism but later i become more interested to remove any wrong reasons that make me a believer and about refuting misconceptions every time i write about anything a lot of members start saying claims that i know according to Islam is wrong so i decided to start by removing this barriers so we can talk easier.about converting you guys i dont really care about that and am not looking to convert someone through the internet but i care that everyone base his beliefs whatever it is on the correct knowledge and reasons

[Scented Nectar]

Every living thing did NOT come from water

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/propertyyou.html

Life forms on earth CONTAIN some water, but do not COME FROM water. And possibly not all life forms here even contain it, such as I'm not sure about viruses and their structure.

How is it scientific to make statements about heaven joining and then leaving earth? If you are trying to say that heaven now means all of the universe *except earth*, well that's just silly. Earth IS still part of the universe, it's never been separated that we humans know of. Who is the 'we' mentioned about in that book verse? I hope you're not actually presenting that verse as some sort of scientific statement, because it makes no sense when examined.

the heavens means the skies and the verse says that the earth and the skies was one unit then they was seperated i dont see the problem here its that easy and it doesnt mean that we are not still in the universe but of course now we are not joined as one entity

I still don't get it. Are you referring to the formation of the earth? The universe is constantly in the middle of making and breaking planets, stars, and other structures, in other words it changes and is changing still, right now this second. We are still part of the universe, not separate from it, otherwise where do you stop separating things from each other? Why not stop at the galaxies? Why not stop at the stars? Why stop at earth? Why not stop at the air (gasses), seas (liquids) and land (solids)? Why not stop at the molecules of things?

And what point is the book making? What scientific point exactly? It can be vaguely thought of as referring to planetary formation, but why? Does it explain it? No. Science does because a lot the real answers have been found. You have to try hard to make your book fit the facts AFTER the facts have been found. That's because, if you only read the book, you would still have no idea about real planet formation. The book says some gods ("we") split earth from the skies. Hey, that's not even about planets in that case. It would be most similar to the separation of the atmosphere from the nongassy stuff. But then, ancient illiterate goatherders, in an age before machines and increased knowledge, would have not known that the atmosphere is more closely part of our planet than it is to the rest of the universe beyond it. They would not have known about how there is yet another possible separation to distinguish there. It would look to them as though the air they breathe just continues to the stars.

Why do you believe it's true? You've never seen any of the ones your religion is claiming, like your god or angels or jinni. You have no proof that some human named Mohammed was having direct communication with islam's god.

not everything you must see by your eyes to believe it sometimes you can use logic and reasoning denying everything you didnt see is not logic and of course you dont do it in everything you just do that in religion

Why is it ok for religion to not use logic? If you are not using logic and real perceptions (such as meeting god in person), than you are only believing because you WANT to believe, not because you have a good reason to believe. The word 'faith' means to believe something in that way, without any evidence, because you decide to believe, rather than perceive a real being and can't help but to believe it, such as our fellow humans who we know exist.

It's very likely he was just simply either a schizophrenic or a con-man who wanted people to follow him. We KNOW that those two types of people DO exist. So what is more likely? A magical god who used telepathy to tell one human some rules (why didn't he just tell everyone himself? - then there would be no unbelievers!)? Or common human ways of thinking/behaving such as schizos and con-men, and Mohammed was one of these?

you are stuck in the wrong stage asking questions like that really make sense but the next step is to start searching for answers dont just claim things and believe it without evidence and your evidance must not be opinion of others you have to find it by yourself and if you hear opinion of someone you must analyze it by yourself.about why dont god tell us everything by himself so there will be no believers.there will be always non believers whatever happens some will find their way to not believe and also you must understand why we are here in order to start asking why dont god show us himself

What evidence? A book written by humans is not evidence. It does not even present any evidence. It makes many unlikely claims, without backing any of them up. The only evidence we have regarding these types of claims, is that there are many, many people who claim this. They all turn out to have mental illnesses or are just lying. Then, sometimes gullible people who mean well, believe these people and a religion has now been started. Since this is the case with all the other claims of communication with gods, why should yours be true suddenly? It's not like your god has turned up showing himself to us to prove it is true. There is lots of evidence on my side and none on yours. You WANT there to be a higher purpose or meaning to why we are here, but there really isn't. We are simply here, and should make the most of it. The purpose and meaning to our lives is what WE make of it, not some invisible superbeing who has some mystical wonderful plans for us after we die. We know our life on earth is very real, but religions all make claims about things that are obviously unreal, and which no human has seen to be true. That's because the claims originated in human imaginations, sometimes not even to their knowledge that it's happening, such as with schizophrenics (and any other disorders that also have psychotic episodes or overtones) who believe it is very real when it's happening.

[mo3taz3nbar]

@scented
1-the cell itself consist of mostly water and this verse is talking about living things
2-skies means every thing galaxies stars planets everything and its not the only verse talking about the universe there is a lot of other verses telling about things in the universe that was impossible to be known from 1400 years that even make this verse more clear about its meaning(the Quran is not a book of science its a book of signs so dont expect to find equations its just telling you how after you see this you still not believe).regarding the we in the quran this is the plural of respect there is no gods its only God
3-am not saying that we are not suppose to use logic and reason am saying that this is what we suppose to do but not believing in something because you didnt see it this is what am saying is not logic by using logic and reason you can believe in something you didnt see this is what i meant
4-the imagination and illness in mind and believing in something that is not true for personal purposes is being done and will continue wether the human believe in something or lack the believe we can all have delusions.in my opinion you must set aside any thing spiritual or even faith(for atheists they need to be objective) and just use reasons and logic so you can make the right decision and to avoid any delusions i mentioned some of the reasons before and non of them was based on blind faith.in your side there is no evidence but it is lack of evidence in the side of religion that you was born with.about people lying and claiming that they have the truth you just need to search more deeply so you can diffirintiate between the liers and deluded and the people who have reasons for their beliefs as it is easy for you to see this as you got out of any brainwashing you had. believe me you cant imagine how easy to know the difference if you just searched little deeper and with objectivity

plz scented back to the subject i will talk about every little thing that make me believe in more details this is so confusing for me and for the other members i think. i will be posting my thread about the first stage i passed through which is atheism and i am really interested to share with you how i used to think and also to know about your thoughts

[downbeatplumb]

I think Mo is making the same mistake seen by many Xtian theists we've come accross. He's making the vague ramblings in his text of choice fit facts.

A bit like hammering a round peg into a square hole shouting 'it will fit it wil'.

The fact is you could make the ancient texts mean anything you damn well want, a bit like Nostradamus's quatrains that are used to predict the end of the world every other week.