My honest review of Christianity

[Aoi Magi]

Well to each their own

But you know the Orthodox Church (whose teachings haven't been changed since the day of Pentecost where the apostles received the holy spirit) has a very different view of hell. I know you're not interested but what's the harm right?

We believe that hell and heaven both have god in them (as you know . . . god is everywhere) The only difference is that those who love God will enjoy being with god and those who hate god won't be able to stand the presence of God and will therefore "gnash their teeth." That will be the greatest punishment possible.
Also we believe that if we pray for the dead, they will be forgiven and if they regret their hatred they will enjoy the same things as the faithful enjoy.
This idea sounds foreign right? Don't worry. As a matter of fact, this teaching has been unchanged since like 32/ 33 AD.

I could also provide my reasoning for why Jesus really existed in the middle east (holy or not) if anyone wants

Sure go ahead, create a new thread and share all your proofs.

PS: If hell is just about gnashing teeth, what is your heaven about?

[Vivalarevolution]

Haha I won't write what I believe or try to prove anything unless someone asks on another thread. Don't wish to intrude on the forums

Btw I didn't get your question. Are you implying that heaven will be just as teeth-gnashing as hell?

Check out the website rollanet for "stuff I wanna do in heaven "

[Lemonvariable72]

Well to each their own

But you know the Orthodox Church (whose teachings haven't been changed since the day of Pentecost where the apostles received the holy spirit) has a very different view of hell. I know you're not interested but what's the harm right?

Bahahahahahahah WHAT! Even according to your own book your religion has changed since the day the pentecost, hence the council of Jerusalem.

[Aractus]

Being a failed indocrinated child i learned the ins and outs of why people are religious.
it starts at the church any normal sane non delusional person will loose their will of non belief and self worth.
it is because subtle physiological programming the church and preacher uses.you are told you are a literal piece of
shit and trash in the eyes of god and you must repent and accept jesus.

That's not the teaching of the Christian church. The teaching of the Xian church is that God wants to be reconciled with his people who he loves.

now when you are ready to
learn about jesus and how he died for your sins... no he didn't he died for the Israelites not you in particular also
the guy didn't really exist.

Jesus certainly existed, as a man.

now the parts you wont learn and will be skipped over, slavery, rape, pedophilia, murder, genocide, etc is okay because
god favors evil, which contradictions that he loves good.

Nowhere in the Christian bible is either rape or paedophilia condoned.

-brief note.
if you are christian you do realize that the bible was intended for the dumb and illiterate, also the enslaved and also for the rich.

Incorrect yet again. The 6th century B.C. (which is when most sceptically thinking scholars believe the O.T. to be written) - was written at a time of widespread literacy among the Jews.

The N.T. was also written in a time of high literacy rates.

it was for people to give up their rational way of thinking and wealth to the church so in turn the church would have power.

Incorrect. The Church later used it for that purpose; and the O.T. would not have been used for that purpose, it's more likely the O.T. was used for unity.

At least get your facts straight.

[Aoi Magi]

That's not the teaching of the Christian church. The teaching of the Xian church is that God wants to be reconciled with his people who he loves.

The Christian church doesn't believe in the concept of the original sin?

Jesus certainly existed, as a man.

You might want to hold off on claiming that, as many scholars are still arguing on that point.

Nowhere in the Christian bible is either rape or paedophilia condoned.

How old was Mary when she got impregnated by the supreme being? And about rape, did the bible support concubines and sex slaves? And could you get away with rape if you just paid a fine and married your victim, or if the father of the victim didn't have a bloody sheet?

Incorrect yet again. The 6th century B.C. (which is when most sceptically thinking scholars believe the O.T. to be written) - was written at a time of widespread literacy among the Jews.

The N.T. was also written in a time of high literacy rates.

Literacy or illiteracy? Also not "high literacy", but comparatively higher than their previous attempt.

Incorrect. The Church later used it for that purpose; and the O.T. would not have been used for that purpose, it's more likely the O.T. was used for unity.

At least get your facts straight.

How do you know about the intentions of that old book or the original authors?

[TreeSapNest]

Being a failed indocrinated child i learned the ins and outs of why people are religious.
it starts at the church any normal sane non delusional person will loose their will of non belief and self worth.

It's not so nefarious, nor are we dumb and delusional. We simply tend to believe the people around us even when they are mistaken. It isn't natural for us to distrust everything and everyone and question everything.

We only learn to question when we discover things are not always as believed.

[Aractus]

You might want to hold off on claiming that, as many scholars are still arguing on that point.

Only a handful of fringe scholar I think you mean. They do argue over how much is accurate, however.

How old was Mary when she got impregnated by the supreme being?

Probably 14-15, and Joseph would have been about 17.

And about rape, did the bible support concubines and sex slaves?

Yes but concubines were women (ie sex slaves) owned by men with less rights than wives; but the bible still doesn't condone rape anywhere.

And could you get away with rape if you just paid a fine and married your victim, or if the father of the victim didn't have a bloody sheet?

Yes the punishment is not too extreme, unlike Islam where adultery is punishable by death.

Literacy or illiteracy? Also not "high literacy", but comparatively higher than their previous attempt.

Pretty high by ancient standards. Not saying everyone was literate - but certainly lots were. There are lots and lots of ancient artefacts with Hebrew lettering dating back to about the 6th century, showing that writing (and hence reading) was quite widely practised.

How do you know about the intentions of that old book or the original authors?

Because it's a simple matter of what is possible and what isn't. Whoever was in charge of religion was also in charge of the nation - he was the king at that time of the kingdom of Judea/Israel. He already controlled the people. The Bible was written as a way to unify the people together, and to tell them that they were more powerful than the powerful Egyptian empire (which of course wasn't actually true, but believing it would create stability).

[Aoi Magi]

It's not so nefarious, nor are we dumb and delusional. We simply tend to believe the people around us even when they are mistaken. It isn't natural for us to distrust everything and everyone and question everything.

We only learn to question when we discover things are not always as believed.

Yes you are correct, however religion is capable of brainwashing sane adults too unless they are already questioning it. For example many religious organizations will offer food and shelter to the poor and homeless while slowly indoctrinating them to the respective faith system.

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Probably 14-15, and Joseph would have been about 17.

And that's not pedophilia? And forget Joseph, he was never part of the equation

Yes but concubines were women (ie sex slaves) owned by men with less rights than wives; but the bible still doesn't condone rape anywhere.

And could you get away with rape if you just paid a fine and married your victim, or if the father of the victim didn't have a bloody sheet?

Yes the punishment is not too extreme, unlike Islam where adultery is punishable by death.

Yeh more leniency towards this also shows their standing towards the topic of rape. A slap on the wrist isn't good enough to prevent rape in any time-period.

Because it's a simple matter of what is possible and what isn't. Whoever was in charge of religion was also in charge of the nation - he was the king at that time of the kingdom of Judea/Israel. He already controlled the people. The Bible was written as a way to unify the people together, and to tell them that they were more powerful than the powerful Egyptian empire (which of course wasn't actually true, but believing it would create stability).

...Or the king just wanted to control his subjects. Just like Hitler and his concept of chosen people. Unification and control aren't really two mutually exclusive concepts, rather they go well hand in hand, and religion has been used for this purpose since before christianity was concocted.

[Vivalarevolution]

Aractus your ideas of israel writing the bible to feel superior to Egypt is new and interesting to me. You wrote the same on another thread. I was going to log out but really want to comment on this.
I am skeptical about whether the exodus account is historically verifiable but according to you if they did write the hebrew bible for this reason,-
1) why would it make them feel superior? Egypt only appears as a setting in exodus. After that Egypt is mentioned only to remind them of what god did for them
2) if they really felt superior they would write more about egypt. But they didn't. They wrote about philistines and moabites and ammonites. No I doubt the intention was to unite them against Egypt if it was barely mentioned
3) The pharoah shishak/ sheshonk sacked Jerusalem in the 1 kings. Around the same time you say the bible was written (since you said kings ruled israel). The sacking of Jerusalem is shameful to say the least. And all the hebrews would've known this. Writing the bible would have little effect to increase morale in such times

you're posts confuse me. In some you defend Christianity and in some you do the opposite. What are you exactly?
Also don't expect a reply from me for atleast 12 hours. I'm exhausted :p

[Brian37]

The truth of all religions are that they are a mere reflection of our evolutionary grouping, and are a result of our species flawed perceptions. All of today's believed religions happen for the same reason, for example, as the ancient Egyptians were successful for 3.000 years falsely centering their society around their polytheistic gods that did not exist in reality.

Humans create gods and religions for the same reason people use lucky socks and rabbit's feet. It is all a result of gap filling and flawed perceptions.