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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being polite?
November 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm
I've encountered a few people whining about it.
I tell them to ignore the words and accept the sentiment with which they're given. I'm an atheist and if someone says Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays or whatever, I respond in kind.
Seriously, I'm sick of these idiots whining over trivialities.
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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being...
November 17, 2014 at 2:42 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 10:37 am)Drich Wrote: The thing is you being 'polite' to everyone except Christians, our beliefs, our traditions, and our holiday.
Because, as we all know, everyone can tell who is Christian and who isn't just by looking at them. It's their noses that give it away.  Damn everyone for saying "Happy holidays!" to obvious Christians!
And, last I checked, Christmas was a holiday. I fail to see how anyone wishing another to have a happy holiday is being rude.
I mean, yeah, I guess it sucks to belong to the most powerful religious entity on the planet. One that by the mere virtue of you identifying as one of the flock grants you a whole shit ton of privilege. I weep for you when those who are trying to be polite don't immediately treat you with deference. I truly, truly do.
Quote:what's more you have taken a day we have adopted to celibrate the birth of Christ, and devalued it. You take the tradition commericialize it and strip all of it's meaning. What other religion can soceity take a sacred day from, takes it's key elements/practices and discard the rest while going through the motions/rituals, and it not be mocked?
What the fuck are you even talking about? "Happy holidays" isn't commercializing Christmas. You want to rage? Why not try Hollywood. Or Disney. Or the diamond/jewelry cartels. Or the various toy companies. Many of which are run by your fellow Christians.
And I'm sure you march yourself right to Walmart to buy gifts just like everyone else.
Quote:You not being polite. You are making a political statement that devaules a very specific religion and those who believe or want to set apart december 25 as being the day Christ was born.
Hey, guess what? Christ wasn't born in winter. December 25th was hijacked from Roman pagan beliefs. So, your "abloobloo, why won't anyone keep December 25th holy?" rant has no legs to stand on anyway. Much like the rest of your religion. 
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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being polite?
November 17, 2014 at 5:54 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2014 at 6:10 pm by Mister Agenda.)
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(November 16, 2014 at 11:32 pm)mrappleman Wrote: Thats my question!!!!. I don't know why they get so butt hurt when someone is trying to be polite.
I'm happy to get well-wishes, I'm not too particular on how they're packaged. I don't mind if someone says Merry Christmas, I'm likely to say it back. Why should someone get their panties in a twist if I say Happy Holidays? There's several in a short period of time, why can't I hope all or any are happy?
(November 17, 2014 at 9:21 am)ChadWooters Wrote: I consider "Merry Christmas" an expression of the joy people have in their heart because of a very specific holiday, Christmas, and their desire to spread that joy, the Christmas spirit. Happy Holidays means the person tacitly accepts a walk on eggs culture that kills honesty and masks genuine sentiment with vapid euphemisms. If you don't believe in Christmas then say, "Have a Nice Day" and live honestly.
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(November 17, 2014 at 10:37 am)Drich Wrote: The thing is you being 'polite' to everyone except Christians,
It's being polite to everyone, including Christians. 'Happy Holidays' doesn't leave you out. Christians have been saying it since before anybody here was born. It's only recently that a few right wing talking heads have managed to stir up a pity party about it.
(November 17, 2014 at 10:37 am)Drich Wrote: our beliefs, our traditions, and our holiday. what's more you have taken a day we have adopted to celibrate the birth of Christ, and devalued it. You take the tradition commericialize it and strip all of it's meaning.
You're thinking of Protestants, not atheists. We didn't really have much to do with it until it was already maximally commercialized.
(November 17, 2014 at 10:37 am)Drich Wrote: What other religion can soceity take a sacred day from, takes it's key elements/practices and discard the rest while going through the motions/rituals, and it not be mocked?
What other sacred day got made into a national holiday? Secularists of the time warned against it, but Protestants just HAD to have the government endorsement of their holiday. The predictable result followed.
(November 17, 2014 at 10:37 am)Drich Wrote: You not being polite. You are making a political statement that devaules a very specific religion and those who believe or want to set apart december 25 as being the day Christ was born.
Was Bing Crosby making a political statement when he sang 'Happy Holidays'? Was Bing Crosby an atheist?
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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being polite?
November 17, 2014 at 7:13 pm
Prior to Christmas, I wish people 'season's greetings' or 'happy holidays'. On Christmas Day - and ONLY on Christmas Day - I wish people 'Happy Christmas'. Christians make such a pestiferous stink over their imagined 'war on Christmas', I consider it a public service to remind them that Christmas is ONE day.
It's either that, or I'm going to start wishing everyone 'Happy Christmachanuakwaanzakamas' and let them sort the fucking thing out.
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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being polite?
November 17, 2014 at 9:33 pm
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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being polite?
November 17, 2014 at 9:36 pm
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Well, it's good that you've cleared up what you and your pal Bill are okay with.....I'm sure that'll be on my mind as the day nears.
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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being polite?
November 17, 2014 at 9:51 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 9:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well, it's good that you've cleared up what you and your pal Bill are okay with.....I'm sure that'll be on my mind as the day nears.
I didn't want to leave you feeling anxious about it. I know you hate hurting people's feelings.
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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being polite?
November 17, 2014 at 9:57 pm
A lot of people will never let "good manners" or "being a nice person" get in the way of being a good Christian...
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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being polite?
November 18, 2014 at 5:38 pm
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RE: Is it really politically correct to say Happy Holidays, or is it just being polite?
November 21, 2014 at 6:05 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 10:37 am)Drich Wrote: The thing is you being 'polite' to everyone except Christians, our beliefs, our traditions, and our holiday. what's more you have taken a day we have adopted to celibrate the birth of Christ, and devalued it. You take the tradition commericialize it and strip all of it's meaning. What other religion can soceity take a sacred day from, takes it's key elements/practices and discard the rest while going through the motions/rituals, and it not be mocked?
You not being polite. You are making a political statement that devaules a very specific religion and those who believe or want to set apart december 25 as being the day Christ was born.
That is absolutely not true. Not one word of that. To say, "Merry Christmas" to a Jewish person, knowing that they are Jewish, would be disrespectful. To say, "Happy Holidays" as a general greeting for the season is just trying not to offend anyone. And yes, Christmas does have "Christ" in the name, but it is not now, nor was it ever a "Christian holiday". Look up the origins of the Yule Log, mistletoe, the time of year it is held, holly, the tree itself, using the colors red and green, the star on top the tree, the ornaments on the tree...ALL of this is from pagan traditions, just like the symbolism of rabbits and eggs from Easter. Talk about "taking a sacred day from" someone and "taking the key elements and discarding the rest", that is EXACTLY what Christianity has done with Christmas. Christians added ONE THING and you want to call it yours and yours alone? Give me a break!
As for it being rude to wish you "Happy Holidays", let me break that down for you. What you are saying is that if I don't specifically acknowledge and validate your beliefs and give a big "fuck you!" to anyone and everyone whose beliefs differ THAT is being rude. But if I do acknowledge only your specific beliefs, completely ignoring how it may make anyone not holding those beliefs feel, THAT is not being rude. You know, for people who named themselves after someone known for his very giving nature, Christians sure are pretty self-centered. You show that you hold no compassion for anyone "not like you", you don't care about anyone's feelings but your own and anything short of 100% acknowledgement and validation of your beliefs is an insult. So, do you have this same requirement to give 100% acknowledgement and validation to all beliefs you don't hold? Do you feel that you would be rude in not wishing a Satanist a happy Yule season? Would you be rude if you didn't wish a Jew Chanukah? Would it be rude of you to say, "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Kwanzaa" to a black family? If you don't think NOT wishing any of these people their own traditional season's greeting is rude then you are self centered; self important; unconcerned with your fellow man; self righteous. In other words, you might be God.
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