MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[FatAndFaithless]

Heh...a big ass-hammer.

[Cyberman]

I gots me one of those.

Know what I'm saying, ladies?

[dyresand]

The vast majority of Staff decided they needed merging.

Ohhhh okay the more i know i guess.

[Anomalocaris]

Christianity is the lack of belief in Thor.

What Jehovah really needs is a big ass hammer. It'd give him some street cred.

He go a big ass hammer. How did you think they pounded in the nails?

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Let's correct a term first. Atheism isn't a belief. It is simply a lack of a belief. I'm not going to hijack Christianity and tell you what you believe so do us the same courtesy if you would.

Christianity is the lack of belief in Thor.

When you are the one nailed to a plank, you can be forgiven for resenting the one with the hammer.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Let's correct a term first. Atheism isn't a belief. It is simply a lack of a belief. I'm not going to hijack Christianity and tell you what you believe so do us the same courtesy if you would.

Christianity is the lack of belief in Thor.

[Minimalist]

Closing thread whilst I re-jig with the other one

EDIT:

Right, merged with The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 1) thread.

OP of Part 2 can be located here.

Re opening thread for further non-talk, where nothing is resolved and nothing new is discussed.

Enjoy, all.

Saddam.

Good move, Fidel. Now we have it all in one place.

[abaris]

Amazing, 86 pages of pure and undiluted excrement.

[LastPoet]

If there was a thread to post that video Min, its this one. No point in keeping two bigass piles of shit in the forum. GJ Fidel

[Natachan]

So over the past few days after finals I was bored and decided to look into this to see if any of this was even possible to support. I first checked contemporary roman historians. Fortunately, the time we are interested in is the gold and silver age of Rome, and there are a lot. However there's nothing of interest to this topic. So I widened the search to satirists, poets, commentators, any writers I could find. My cutoff was people who had been adults at the time in question. No mention of these events or of the person of Jesus specifically or of any of the events in the gospels. None.

So I resigned to that and just did a more general reading, including my personal research notes from when my major was classics. And this was more helpful, although no direct evidence of Jesus. This did tell about the general area and culture from which the cult of Christianity sprang. There's a few mentions of apocalyptic cults, of insurgents, and of small rebellions. Apparently these were all fairly common.

So why do I personally believe that there was a preacher at the beginning of Christianity who acted as a charismatic leader and a model for the Jesus of the gospels? After all, I could find no contemporary mentions of the man and several documents which directly contradict the implications of the bible.

Really my belief is from the circumstantial evidence. It seems more likely that Paul would have based his religion on a pre-existing cult than making one up from scratch. And as there were other churches it makes it more likely. I tend to think that Paul thought his revelation was genuine. And as such it is far more likely that Paul saw something he more or less expected to see rather than something he just made up. After all, when people report being abducted by aliens their reports are often very similar to pop culture depictions and almost never as something never conceived of by human beings.

[abaris]

I tend to think that Paul thought his revelation was genuine. And as such it is far more likely that Paul saw something he more or less expected to see rather than something he just made up. After all, when people report being abducted by aliens their reports are often very similar to pop culture depictions and almost never as something never conceived of by human beings.

Paul was a raving mysogonist madman. He may have heard some campfire tales going around at the time in question. And as it is with campfire tales, they grow larger an larger with every person telling them.

Also Palestine was ripe with self declared Messianic figures roaming the land. Could well be, some people encountered this one or that one and then they came together and built Jeshua, which wasn't such an unusual name either, given the time and the region.

And this messianic figure is attributed with preexisting myths. Changing water into wine is what Dyonisos did, raising the dead and curing the sick, too many mythological figures to count did this. Coming back to life after three days is also pretty common for relgional deities.