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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 25, 2014 at 9:37 pm
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible is the Grand Charter of God. To undermine, discredit and reject the Bible is to undermine, discredit and reject God.
Well, yes.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 25, 2014 at 9:48 pm
(December 25, 2014 at 10:55 am)Losty Wrote: I nominate this post for best drunk post of AF 2014.
Holy hell. I don't remember that.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 25, 2014 at 11:33 pm
(December 25, 2014 at 10:55 am)Losty Wrote: (December 24, 2014 at 2:06 am)Elskidor Wrote: ALRIGHT, I'M DRINK and just got kicked out of the rim for being too drink and wanting to airing. I am ready to fight! Bring it on! 9 have to warn you that I airway win because the bible is fiction and I'm not but I'm drink, so take that add you will. BRING IT ON! !! Yeah? Merry Chistmas!
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I nominate this post for best drunk post of AF 2014.
I dunno.... These are some good drinky girl posts.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20825-po...#pid819774
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20825-po...#pid819777
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20825-po...#pid819779
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 25, 2014 at 11:58 pm
The statement that rejecting the Bible is rejecting God is a baseless assertion. People of different faiths who haven't read the Bible can believe in God and God can guide them and they can be actively having relationship with, feeling his presence, and looking towards his light. Faith in the Unseen Spiritual world doesn't need belief in the Bible.
People of differing perceptions have their own relative experience of the divine, and just because they don't accept a book even if it came from the Divine, doesn't mean they have rejected God.
Moreover a person like me who believes in God but isn't part of any religion, will have his own perception of greatness, beauty, and glory, but believe that ultimate and absolute glory, beauty, greatness, and value exists that is the source of all beauty, glory, praise, greatness, and value.
Worshiping God is the utmost peace I have in my life and he is the center of my world. How can you say just because I don't accept the Bible, that I have rejected God. If this is what the Bible teaches, then obviously the Bible is wrong. If it's not what it teaches, then obviously believing the Bible doesn't make you more spiritual when you can come out and disregard all other believers and lovers of God like that in the name of following Bible.
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December 26, 2014 at 8:33 am
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(December 25, 2014 at 9:48 pm)Elskidor Wrote: (December 25, 2014 at 10:55 am)Losty Wrote: I nominate this post for best drunk post of AF 2014. Holy hell. I don't remember that.
If you did, it wouldn't deserve a nomination!
(December 25, 2014 at 11:33 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I dunno.... These are some good drinky girl posts.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20825-po...#pid819774
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20825-po...#pid819777
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20825-po...#pid819779 Holy shit, that first one was so good I don't even remember giving it kudos!
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December 26, 2014 at 11:41 am
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(December 25, 2014 at 10:55 am)Losty Wrote: I nominate this post for best drunk post of AF 2014.
There's some pretty stiff competition:
(December 26, 2014 at 2:30 am)Lambert Wrote: And since when where you a theist? I don't think there is one Catholic alive who claims to be a theist, is there?
Theism is not an -ism but may be descriptive of an -ism. So please don't let ignorance lead you astray, . . . as protestant number 20.001 maybe?
Made all the sweeter by virtue of the almost certain fact that the guy was stone cold sober.
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December 26, 2014 at 12:39 pm
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So much for all that proof we were promised. This is much more entertaining.
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December 26, 2014 at 12:40 pm
But mummy told me it is true.
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RE: Bible is the infallible word of God! Proof!
December 26, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible is the Grand Charter of God. To undermine, discredit and reject the Bible is to undermine, discredit and reject God.
If that's the case, things don't look good for God.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The popular assertion of present-day shallow thinkers that their Christianity rejects the Old Testament but accepts the New is, to say the least, unrealistic, for the New Testament is based on the Old. Both are inseparably united and of necessity when one is rejected the other also must be refused. What the seed is to the plant so is the Old to the New. How can the plant be received and the seed which produced it rejected?
That seems a pretty mainstream view. Christians who advocate ditching the OT are a small minority. Which is a shame, IMHO.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible claims to be the Word of God and by staking this claim the Bible simply but plainly declares its divine authority, complete infallibility and absolute sufficiency.
At least you know it's a claim and not evidence.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible's authority is not derived from reason.
Truer words were never spoken.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible does not appeal to reason and demand obedience because our reason sanctions its teachings. Its authority is not rational in that sense, although we believe the Bible to be reasonable ultimately, because it is the Word of Him Who is the source of all reason. Our reason needs to be approved by the Bible and not the Bible by our reason.
So the first thing the Bible requires is a suppression of critical thinking. I noticed that when I read it.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible's authority is not derived from the emotions. The Bible does not appeal to our feelings and demand obedience because our feelings acquiesce in its teachings. Its authority is not emotional, and our feelings need to be approved by the Bible, and not the Bible by our feelings.
That is also true. The Bible is appalling to modern moral sensibilities, and could reasonably be rejected as a sound and infallible guide on that ground alone, if concepts like 'reasonably' weren't already out the window.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The greatest fact of all time is the Bible.
It's a claim, not a fact.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: How a book which has been so universally attacked could survive and attain to such a place of eminence is a miracle eloquently testifying to its supernatural origin.
The Qu'ran is giving it a run for its money, then.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The unity of the Bible is one of the greatest evidences of its supernatural origin.
It's the greatest evidence of its editing, and since it's been edited so badly, it's still pretty weak evidence.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible is unique.
Every book is unique.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: Hundreds of years and in some cases over a thousand years before certain events took place, the Bible made precise predictions concerning those events.
Except there is no way to confirm that the predictions preceded the events where they're accurate, or that they were fulfilled where they're vague.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: No other sacred book ventured to make such predictions. The Bible is the only book which dared to stake its claim to divinity on the accuracy of its prophecies!
If another sacred book did the same, would you consider that evidence against the validity of the Bible?
(December 23, 2014 at 9:40 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: Calling someone shit and stupid is against the rules, even if its in French. Where are the ban hammers?
If you think a post broke the rules, report it. If you wanted to be treated with kid gloves, do an introductory thread, which is basic courtesy anyway.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:45 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: Our generation is living in a time when the Bible says the facts of its truth is shouting at us & very few are paying attention. The mega horn that is shouting at the human race is Israel. God Himself told exactly what was going to happen to Israel – also stating He would prove to all the unbelievers, called heathen, that He was God by what He was going to do with Israel over a 2500 year period.
Well, since America is such an atheistic country, and the few believers we do have are so close-mouthed, none of us have ever heard that before. Thanks for the new information. 
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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December 26, 2014 at 1:06 pm
Unfortunately, JesusLoverBoy/Girl hasn't darkened the doorstep or our towels since the 23rd of December. Not very long, true, and perhaps Jesus-Lover is sleeping off numerous Spirits of Christmas Past and Present - Jacky D, Johnnie Walker or perhaps (if on a budget), ol' Jim Beam, and will one day return to offer up proof that Jeez is, really, really true!! And awesome! And so cute in that clingy toga-like thingy!! I swears it!!
Here's a hearty toast to the return of what seems to be a potential chew-toy!
Praise Jeebus and pass the ammunition!
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