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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm
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(January 3, 2015 at 3:48 am)Drich Wrote: indeed lucifer wanted what God had over and above what God gave him. So then, if one were to succumb to the christian philosophy and end up in heaven, it is possible that it is not where one cares to spend eternity.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 2:40 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm)IATIA Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 3:48 am)Drich Wrote: indeed lucifer wanted what God had over and above what God gave him. So then, if one were to succumb to the christian philosophy and end up in heaven, it is possible that it is not where cares to spend eternity.
And what if the devil won the final battle? wouldn't that mean satan well lucifer be the new god and should we or should we not fear him.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 2:41 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm)IATIA Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 3:48 am)Drich Wrote: indeed lucifer wanted what God had over and above what God gave him. So then, if one were to succumb to the christian philosophy and end up in heaven, it is possible that it is not where cares to spend eternity.
Judging by Satan's example, those in heaven can still rebel against god so Drich might get to heaven and still hate it or god. Drich could lead a rebellion and be thrown into hell with the rest of us heathen.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 2:44 pm
That was one of the first things I questioned as a child. If heaven is so great, why did Lucifer rebel?
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Quote:i was just covering my bases. (Just incase you were plagiarizing your thoughts rather than quoting them like everyone else.)
I probably should let this go but why would you think that I plagiarized someone and who is the someone that I might be plagiarizing?
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 2:49 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 2:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: That was one of the first things I questioned as a child. If heaven is so great, why did Lucifer rebel?
Especially considering that Lucifer is supposed to be a very powerful, knowledgeable being that would know that God is even more powerful and knowledgeable. Lucifer would know ahead of time what the outcome of his rebellion would be.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 2:50 pm
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(January 3, 2015 at 2:41 pm)Nope Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm)IATIA Wrote: So then, if one were to succumb to the christian philosophy and end up in heaven, it is possible that it is not where cares to spend eternity.
Judging by Satan's example, those in heaven can still rebel against god so Drich might get to heaven and still hate it or god. Drich could lead a rebellion and be thrown into hell with the rest of us heathen.
But us heathens would help our dark overlord.
i mean we get cool robes like this guy
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So once us godless heathens go and conquer heaven we get to enjoy eternity.
All in all Satan is the true hero and good guy compared to jesus... i mean why else
would Satan rebel against god if he know what was wrong with god in the first place.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 3:02 pm
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(January 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm)IATIA Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 3:48 am)Drich Wrote: indeed lucifer wanted what God had over and above what God gave him. So then, if one were to succumb to the christian philosophy and end up in heaven, it is possible that it is not where cares to spend eternity.
I'm not sure what you are asking
(January 3, 2015 at 2:40 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm)IATIA Wrote: So then, if one were to succumb to the christian philosophy and end up in heaven, it is possible that it is not where cares to spend eternity.
And what if the devil won the final battle? wouldn't that mean satan well lucifer be the new god and should we or should we not fear him.
In essence satan does have limited control over this world, you tell me. you all the first people to speak of the persecution, famine, death and disease. Where do you think that comes from?
(January 3, 2015 at 2:41 pm)Nope Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 2:32 pm)IATIA Wrote: So then, if one were to succumb to the christian philosophy and end up in heaven, it is possible that it is not where cares to spend eternity.
Judging by Satan's example, those in heaven can still rebel against god so Drich might get to heaven and still hate it or god. Drich could lead a rebellion and be thrown into hell with the rest of us heathen.
That is what the book of revelation tells us will happen after the first 1000 years.
Revelation 20 speaks of this in greater detail
(January 3, 2015 at 2:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: That was one of the first things I questioned as a child. If heaven is so great, why did Lucifer rebel?
He wanted to be God, he was not happy serving God. He wanted to be served.
(January 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm)Nope Wrote: Quote:i was just covering my bases. (Just incase you were plagiarizing your thoughts rather than quoting them like everyone else.)
I probably should let this go but why would you think that I plagiarized someone and who is the someone that I might be plagiarizing?
I didn't say you were. I simply said I was covering bases.
(January 3, 2015 at 2:49 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 2:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: That was one of the first things I questioned as a child. If heaven is so great, why did Lucifer rebel?
Especially considering that Lucifer is supposed to be a very powerful, knowledgeable being that would know that God is even more powerful and knowledgeable. Lucifer would know ahead of time what the outcome of his rebellion would be.
Maybe, lucifer "reasoned/logic-ed" out a more favorable outcome.
Look at drys-dale's last post, he reasoned out a favorable outcome.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 3:49 pm
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(January 3, 2015 at 3:02 pm)Drich Wrote: Maybe, lucifer "reasoned/logic-ed" out a more favorable outcome.
No matter how good my high school basketball skills were, there is no way I can "reasoned/logic" myself a favorable outcome against Kobe Bryant.
Lucifer, being the extremely powerful, knowledgeable being that he is, would be well aware of his skill level against God.
Sorry, but your ad-hoc excuses for the holes in the plot of your mythology are far from convincing.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 3, 2015 at 4:30 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 3:02 pm)Drich Wrote: Maybe, lucifer "reasoned/logic-ed" out a more favorable outcome.
Look at drys-dale's last post, he reasoned out a favorable outcome.
Satan must be a fundamental idiot then, if he wanted to deceive an omniscient being. A nothing compared to Loki or the Titans, since they at least had a fighting chance.
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