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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 4:55 am
(February 7, 2015 at 6:14 am)Newtonscat Wrote: Mark 6,3 reads: Is not this man the carpenter, the son of Mary ... etc.
This is the only place in the NT where Jesus is identified as a carpenter.
The Greek word used is 'tekton' .... now 'teknon' means "child"
Replacing tekton with teknon gives us the reading:
Is not this man the child, the son of Mary ....
The context is that this was the first time he'd been back to his home town since childhood. If he'd been the local carpenter they would have recognised him sooner, sort of thing.
The Bible has several stories about carpenters carving idols out of scrap wood. When Jesus was crucified on the wooden cross he became the ultimate idol.
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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 4:56 am
Not meant to worship them idols. It's naughty.
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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 2:23 pm
(February 9, 2015 at 1:46 am)Drich Wrote:
Again you didn't look up the words you're using did you..
You know how I can tell?
Because teknon is a figurative term describing a 'child of God'.
http://biblehub.com/greek/5043.htm
You're using a biblical source for translation. That is exactly my criticism, that you're using your faith to filter your intellect.
But -- your own source gives the first denotation as "properly, a child". This means that you skipped right past that to go with your figurative preference, because that comports with your faith. This is exactly how faith blinds people.
So yeah, that's two points you've missed so far, Gatsby.
(February 9, 2015 at 1:46 am)Drich Wrote: While the context you and the op are trying to force this word into calls for 'paidion' a literal child.
Your own source undercuts this claim with its first three words.
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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 3:13 pm
Quote:Is not this man the child, the son of Mary ....
In a fucked up patriarchal society like first century Judaea, what man would say that? Women didn't count for shit.... like in muslim areas today. No one would have given a single fuck about "Mary."
They might have said, "is not this man the child, the son of Joseph...the cuckold?"
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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Joseph: it's a boy!
Mary: yay!
Joseph: hang on, but we didn't...
Mary: oh. I was a virgin though! You can't expect any evidence of that now though, so it's unreasonable to ask for any. Believe everything I tell you on faith.
Joseph: ok.
Mary: someone else was the father, but I'm a virgin.
Joseph: ok.
Mary: it was God!
Joseph: say what bitch?
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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 7:19 pm
Also, I have to laugh my ass off at the fact that Dreck cannot even spell the name "Mary" correctly, even though she's the alleged mother of his god.
It's four letters, Dreck. "MARY". Is it that complicated? Are your seventeen neurons overwhelmed?
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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 7:25 pm
(February 9, 2015 at 3:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Is not this man the child, the son of Mary ....
In a fucked up patriarchal society like first century Judaea, what man would say that? Women didn't count for shit.... like in muslim areas today. No one would have given a single fuck about "Mary."
They might have said, "is not this man the child, the son of Joseph...the cuckold?"
What if they knew Joseph wasn't his actual father? That way that verse is worded has always confused me also. Did they think Jesus was illegitimate?
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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 7:31 pm
Jesus was a shitty carpenter. So shitty in fact that the crucifixion was nothing but an elaborate story concocted by Jesus to keep from admitting he put nails through his own hands while attempting to build a table.
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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 8:23 pm
(February 9, 2015 at 7:25 pm)Nope Wrote: (February 9, 2015 at 3:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: In a fucked up patriarchal society like first century Judaea, what man would say that? Women didn't count for shit.... like in muslim areas today. No one would have given a single fuck about "Mary."
They might have said, "is not this man the child, the son of Joseph...the cuckold?"
What if they knew Joseph wasn't his actual father? That way that verse is worded has always confused me also. Did they think Jesus was illegitimate?
Then they are supposed to throw rocks at her.
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RE: How Jesus became a carpenter
February 9, 2015 at 9:52 pm
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