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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 10:13 am
(March 9, 2015 at 1:22 am)Pizz-atheist Wrote: (March 8, 2015 at 6:45 pm)abaris Wrote: Chad follows Swedenborg. Swedish dude from the 18th century. At least he says so. Doesn't fit the bill though. At least not where it matters, since Swedenborgians are supposed to be open on social issues and science. None of which seems to be what makes Chad tick. He is also a panentheist, not to be confused with pantheist, meaning he thinks the universe is part of God but God transcends the universe.
I would love to see all Christians here argue over what God is and over dogma. That would be as fun as watching Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, and apologists from other religions all having a battle royale.
I hate to poop on your parade, but if we all turn to the bible God defines Himself there.
In that He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end to all things.
If God want to have the universe as part of his being then He most certainly can. If He does not and it is just another point of creation then that is what it is.
The point being I do not know that any of the theists here will argue the sovernity of God.. And that's what God's description describes... His supreme sovernity.
Now that does not mean we can't squabble over how we think that sovernity plays out, but bottom line God is not defined nor limited to any description or attribute we place on Him. He is who/what ever He wants to be period.
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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 10:24 am
(March 9, 2015 at 12:18 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: It's funny that they can disagree on the meaning of their god's word and still all get into heaven.
It seems that the only real qualification is to have a broken bullshit detector.
If you have a working one in heaven you can call out god for being a evil fuck and then get thrown out.
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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 10:27 am
(March 8, 2015 at 9:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (March 8, 2015 at 5:04 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Fair enough...but how many ways are there to throw someone out a window?
I've got two. Open the window or leave it closed. Option 3; Smash a hole through the wall...
I've seen one caser where two xtians agreed to the point of being almost interchangeable. Both converts to some form of American Baptist church with strong Calvinist overtones. Not something I'm in a hurry to see a repeat of...
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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 10:28 am
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(March 9, 2015 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: Now that does not mean we can't squabble over how we think that sovernity plays out, but bottom line God is not defined nor limited to any description or attribute we place on Him. He is who/what ever He wants to be period. -and yet, for some odd reason...you reckon a god could be limited to the description or attributes we place upon it provided that they come from the right book. What if god wanted to be Ganesh? How is it that your own faith has managed to evade that bit of scrutiny you offered above anyway?
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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 10:57 am
(March 9, 2015 at 10:28 am)Rhythm Wrote: (March 9, 2015 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: Now that does not mean we can't squabble over how we think that sovernity plays out, but bottom line God is not defined nor limited to any description or attribute we place on Him. He is who/what ever He wants to be period. -and yet, for some odd reason...you reckon a god could be limited to the description or attributes we place upon it provided that they come from the right book. What if god wanted to be Ganesh? How is it that your own faith has managed to evade that bit of scrutiny you offered above anyway? Because the attributes that define Ganesh limit Ganesh to just being Ganish.
God has no such limits. If God were Genesh He would cease to be the Alpha and Omega.
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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 11:17 am
(March 9, 2015 at 10:57 am)Drich Wrote: (March 9, 2015 at 10:28 am)Rhythm Wrote: -and yet, for some odd reason...you reckon a god could be limited to the description or attributes we place upon it provided that they come from the right book. What if god wanted to be Ganesh? How is it that your own faith has managed to evade that bit of scrutiny you offered above anyway? Because the attributes that define Ganesh limit Ganesh to just being Ganish.
God has no such limits. If God were Genesh He would cease to be the Alpha and Omega. Except that Hindus have made the claim that Ganesh is simply one aspect of the "god-head" which would negate your idea of limitation.
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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 11:23 am
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God does have a limitation. He admits it in his own book.
Judges 1:19, King James
Quote:And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Whoops! Even omnipotent gods have their kleenex. I mean kryptonite.
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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 12:20 pm
(March 9, 2015 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: I hate to poop on your parade, but if we all turn to the bible God defines Himself there.
In that He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end to all things.
That isn't a description of what he is and trying to claim otherwise is bullshit.
Should we also reference the "I am what I am" bullshit and accept that as a valid description?!? Sounds more like Popeye than an infinite, all powerful being.
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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 12:59 pm
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(March 9, 2015 at 12:20 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (March 9, 2015 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: I hate to poop on your parade, but if we all turn to the bible God defines Himself there.
In that He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end to all things.
That isn't a description of what he is and trying to claim otherwise is bullshit.
Should we also reference the "I am what I am" bullshit and accept that as a valid description?!? Sounds more like Popeye than an infinite, all powerful being.
It sounds like Popeye because you Added "what I am." To God's "I am." Your addition makes it a Popeye quote.
To which if you are not familiar with the term alpha and omega and all that it means. Then I think you have made the 'wise' choice to mock what you don't underastand rather than to seek enlightment or knoweledge on the subject. That way you hold true to your simeon roots, thus undergirding your position of orgins without actually speaking of it.
(March 9, 2015 at 11:17 am)Mr Greene Wrote: (March 9, 2015 at 10:57 am)Drich Wrote: Because the attributes that define Ganesh limit Ganesh to just being Ganish.
God has no such limits. If God were Genesh He would cease to be the Alpha and Omega. Except that Hindus have made the claim that Ganesh is simply one aspect of the "god-head" which would negate your idea of limitation.
quote please.
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RE: Christians Unite
March 9, 2015 at 1:03 pm
(March 9, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Drich Wrote: To which if you are not familiar with the term alpha and omega and all that it means. Then I think you have made the 'wise' choice to mock what you don't underastand rather than to seek enlightment or knoweledge on the subject. That way you hold true to your simeon roots, thus undergirding your position of orgins without actually speaking of it.
'Simian', damn it . . . 'simian'!
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