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Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
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 RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 11:46 am
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2015 at 11:49 am by Ben Davis.)
(March 10, 2015 at 8:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Do you think you escape your actions or inherit them? I create mine. It's one of the burdens of original thought. (March 11, 2015 at 7:03 am)Alex K Wrote: Does God say to Himself: cogito ergo sum? Or does He maybe even have something better.Sum ergo sum!!
Sum ergo sum
 (March 11, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Godschild Wrote:(March 11, 2015 at 9:53 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: He can't and he won't because he knows he's got nothing that constitutes anything approaching testable, verifiable evidence. If he had any at all he'd be shitting it all over every thread like an elephant with a bad case of the runs. For something to be considered evidence, it must be evident to others, not just yourself. So, no, you don't have evidence.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
If "personal evidence" should be considered enough for someone to believe you, then we'd all have to believe anything anyone ever told us.
See the flaw in that system? Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum   (March 12, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Norman Humann Wrote:(March 12, 2015 at 1:28 pm)robvalue Wrote: See the flaw in that system? I think the answer is, "Yes, but only when it comes to everyone else. My warm, fuzzy feelings and confirmation bias is bedrock truth."  (March 12, 2015 at 11:07 am)Nestor Wrote:(March 12, 2015 at 3:25 am)robvalue Wrote: They think the bible is divinely inspired, but partly untrue? Well, I can only conclude they think that God gets things wrong then. The fact that he did so in the only reference we have about him makes God seem doubly stupid. Well, it mirrors what I stated the other day about how God may have been a real person who just happened to have the capacity to think for himself, able to read and write too. Just like animals, every single group has an hierarchy, where there is a leader and the rest just follow without questioning his orders. However, just as Richard Dawkins quite rightly pointed out in one of his books, there will always be someone who is second in command who believes he can challenge the leader at some point and try to take over the leadership. Is it very possible that both God and Satan were in fact real people; and Satan was in someway, a free thinker, who was thrown out of gods particular group because he didn't fit in? Again, the role of the leader is to make sure there is a united group, where everyone agrees and does not question anything that the leader says, and this is where religion comes in, by targetting the weak-willed. Once he has established all power over his followers (why not call it a gang) he has nothing else to worry about. Which brings me to my other point, where Stephen Fry spoke about AIDS and condoms in Uganda. The fact that Pope Jean Paul II was able to let the Ugandans know that they could catch AIDS by wearing condoms and the way he did it was incredible. They people actually believed it. This is the sort of brainwashing bollocks (sorry for swearing), that needs to be sorted out.  (March 12, 2015 at 1:28 pm)robvalue Wrote: If "personal evidence" should be considered enough for someone to believe you, then we'd all have to believe anything anyone ever told us. Nope. Seems totally legit. I am the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, by the way, so... uhm... I don't know... send me some money, I suppose(?)...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
Personal Evidence -- haha! Good one! Let's add that one to the list.
And from Oxymoron Today we have: Pretty ugly Twelve-ounce pound cake Diet ice cream Working vacation Exact estimate Microsoft Works  (March 12, 2015 at 1:00 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:(March 11, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: I haven't what you consider evidence, but I have personal evidence and you can't prove I do not. As far as knowing God is real well that is all I need, the burden is upon you to find out He's real. Why are you repeating what I said, except I do have evidence. Science has presented evidence before that was disregarded by others. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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