(April 4, 2015 at 8:49 pm)LostLocke Wrote: I'd also like to know what 'ultimate happiness' is.
Every person has their own ideas and preferences about things that make them happy. While many people share similar basic ideas for happiness, there is no one thing or one category that everyone would say "All of this makes me happy, and nothing that's missing from it would make me happy." That would only happen if we were absolutely identical in our opinions and preferences. Basically, if we were automatons.
A possible explanation for the connection between the thought of death and the fear that life is meaningless is that facing up to one’s own mortality destroys one’s prospects for happiness. If ultimate happiness were likely or even possible, we might not feel the need for meaning - one does not need a reason to live as long as living is fun, and the aim of achieving ultimate happiness, were it attainable, might be purpose enough. For some, however, the knowledge that they will die makes happiness impossible. Somewhat differently, recognition of the inevitability of the death of one’s culture and one’s species as well as of oneself may make the interests and goals one formerly had appear worthless or silly.
Belief in a God can provide relief from these concerns. The promise of an afterlife, in which at least some achieve eternal bliss, renews the possibility of working towards ultimate happiness. Independently, the existence of an eternal and superior being who cares about us and about what we make of our lives relieves the worry that our goals and our conduct are insignificant.
(April 5, 2015 at 2:44 am)Sionnach Wrote: Oh, goodness, STOP
STOP
STOP
Honestly.
Posting scripture is no more evidence of god than me posting something in relation to Easter eggs that is a common Christian practice that has nothing to do with Jesus.
Quran and Hadith are not Easter eggs.
(April 5, 2015 at 3:05 am)bennyboy Wrote: That's a lot of words, but you are skipping the important point: a religion which recommends jihad is not intrinsically peaceful.
All those “lot of words” have properly defined “Jihad.”
To me it seems you have not read those “lot of words” or you are on purpose trying to bypass the meaning of “Jihad.”
In English Language:
Holy war can be part of “Strive” but
Strive ≠ Holy War
It is simple as that.
(April 5, 2015 at 3:05 am)bennyboy Wrote: Peace is turning the other cheek, not an eye for an eye. It's forgiveness, not a shout for justice at the point of a sword.
In a world in which not everyone is a saint, saintly turning of the other cheek will lead to the victory of evil.
If you have two young daughters and some culprit rape one of them, would you like to forgive the culprit and offer him other daughter as well? Talk wisely.
The most important function of criminal law is to promote the conviction that crime leads to punishment. Justice is the basis of action and punishment is necessary.
(April 5, 2015 at 3:05 am)bennyboy Wrote: Every form of Jihad also represents an intrinsic lack of faith. Whoever seeks to act as the hand of God, in any capacity, doubts the power of God to work on his own behalf.
Jihad starts with the perfection in faith. Such faith develops through increasingly intuitive practices of rational beliefs. Without proper faith and belief, you cannot do Jihad of any form.
(April 5, 2015 at 3:05 am)bennyboy Wrote: Why don't you and all the other Muslims turn that jihad inward, and let Allah take care of the rest?
Allah has created this universe and for sure, He is taking care of everything. Allah does not need our prayers and our Jihad. We (people) need them for our own welfare and success in both worlds. Along with FREE WILL, He give us Guidance so we do not go astray and harm our own selves due to our greedy selfish desires.
(April 5, 2015 at 3:05 am)bennyboy Wrote: If he really wants me to become a Muslim, can he not just tell me so in a dream? Does he have to do it through uneducated, angry gunmen?
The concept that gunpoint or tip of a sword can instigate REAL FAITH in someone is nothing but a BALONEY. I do not think by putting gun on your head one can make you a faithful believer for the rest of your life.
World had never seen war that was fought by Muslims to convert people’s faith. Indonesia, Malaysia, Eastern coasts of Africa, and other parts of the world, which have dense Muslim population, are good examples of this fact. Arabs have ruled India about 1000 years. That is more than enough to convert whole nation into Muslims on the tip of a sword yet today Muslims in India are in minority. When Muslims entered in Europe, they educated barbarous nations by giving them knowledge of science, philosophy, literature, and arts. What crusaders had done with those Muslims and Jews is not a secret.
Faith in God is not the product of threat but of contemplation and love.
Passions, virtues and vices are all intrinsic principles, or sources, of human acts. However, there are extrinsic principles as well, among which is the law in all its varieties. With regard to our acts in this world, God creates in us the power to perform an act and give us freedom of choice.
Our ordinary intuition about freedom of action suggests it is up to us which actions we perform only because we are capable of taking decisions about how we shall act, and it is up to us which actions we decide to perform.
The purpose of man is to praise, reverence, and serve God, by using his FREE WILL. If at your demand, God himself come and guide you then that will kill the purpose of your Intellect and FREE WILL.
(April 5, 2015 at 4:37 am)robvalue Wrote: It's very simple isn't it? God can talk to me, directly, any time he wants. He should know exactly how to do this so that I can't possibly miss it.
If instead he is waiting for me to do some bizarre ritual first, and to figure out which one it is based on people all over the world telling me contradictory things with no evidence, then he can stick it up his Allah hole. Why is he sending out garbled messages through people when he can just say hi?
Next time anyone speaks to God, tell him to come talk to me. If he won't, too bad, I got actual real things to
worry about.
Islamic teachings shows us that the human sufferings of this present life are termed ‘a trial’ – a test, an evaluation and a validation to measure the success and strength of each human soul, its capacity to do good deeds. So, according to the Quran, all the negative events that we may have to go through in this life are actually TESTS AND TRIALS FROM GOD. If we pass the test by holding on to our faith and remaining patient, showing complete trust in God during the period of suffering, and we continue to do good deeds and avoid evil thoughts and actions, then the end result would be boundless reward in the next life.
This implies every such age of life in which a person may be able to distinguish between good and evil, truth and falsehood, if he likes to, and turn to right guidance instead of deviation, if he wishes. One who has attained this age will certainly be held answerable for his actions.
Why man is under a trial?
The answers lie within the understanding of the Existence of human Soul in the first Primordial Creation and more importantly the acceptance of the Primordial Covenant, which took place between the Souls and The Creator.
God has offered the trust that refers to responsibility and the acceptance of commands and prohibitions with their attendant conditions, which is that the one who fulfils this responsibility on Earth, will be rewarded; while the one who neglects it, will be punished.
Man agreed to this promise regardless of the fact that he is weak, ignorant and unjust. Man has accepted the obligations by the use of his Free Will without having any compulsion over him. Man has agreed to accept this dangerous undertaking because of intense selfish desire for having immortal pleasures of immortal life.
(April 5, 2015 at 8:21 am)bennyboy Wrote: I'm one of the True Faithful. I take God's complete lack of direct intervention in my life as divine permission to life my life however the fuck I want, without divine consequence, because He just. . . doesn't. . . give a shit. I have sufficient faith in the reality of God to know that if he wanted to send me a message, he wouldn't send uneducated, angry Arabs with guns to deliver it.
How many angry Arabs with naked swords and guns in hands running on the streets of USA and Europe and converting people into their faith?
How many angry Americans and Europeans are running on the streets of the Muslim world with latest and lethal weapons in hands with support from Air, sea, and literally killing everyone in the fictitious war on terror?
Look at the war history after world war two (that was not initiated by Muslims) how many Muslims were killed by the hands of secular forces and how many non-believers were killed in (so called) Muslim Terrorists attacks.
If you are, a wise person then figures sufficient to expose real terrorists.
(April 5, 2015 at 9:01 am)whateverist Wrote: To which I say, not listening works two ways. Those who do not engage and listen not shall be ignored. Your stated policy makes it clear that you do not deserve a seat at the table nor the courtesy of being heard. Go strive somewhere else. No one here gives a damn what you have to say next after posting this chestnut.
If you want me to believe in:
~(a^b) = (~a)\/(~b) = Universe from NOTHING
(pi^2)/6 = sum[n=1 ... Infinity] (1/(n^2)) = Life from ACCIDENT
For all real k there exists r such that Sum[n=1 ... r] (1/n) > k = Intelligence through lucky mutations by CHANCE
The grand total:
NOTHING + ACCIDENT + CHANCE = NO GOD
Apart from that if, you are inviting me to Adultery, Fornication, Incest, Homosexuality, Alcoholism, and Narcotics Then you are at a wrong door.
I, as a sensible person, cannot believe in such absurd and cannot consider such people who believe in that garbage as my friends.
(April 5, 2015 at 7:21 pm)bennyboy Wrote: He's hiding behind Jupiter because Earth already killed him once and there are scary Arab guys running around with guns everywhere.
About 2% atheist population of the world think
~(a^b) = (~a)\/(~b) = Universe from NOTHING
(pi^2)/6 = sum[n=1 ... Infinity] (1/(n^2)) = Life from ACCIDENT
For all real k there exists r such that Sum[n=1 ... r] (1/n) > k = Intelligence through happy mutations by CHANCE
The grand total:
NOTHING + ACCIDENT + CHANCE = NO GOD
This idea is extravagant and laughable.
