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Quote:Really? Now you are interpretting the scriptures like a fundamentalist would. Have you read the New Testament before?
Mathew 28:
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
lets see..
Jesus:"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."--->racist.
Jesus:"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations"--->not racist.
This, my friend, what we call contradiction. And obvious one.
I have been reading the bible for some time and I am telling what I see. If fundemantelists are telling the obvious instead of making excuses for it. Its not so bad to be fundamentalist
Why do you pick one statement out of a passage and then make an assumption about it's meaning. That's the same as plucking 2+2 out of this problem ?=10-(2+2) and saying the answer is 4. Your analysis of the passage is ridiculous at best.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
August 31, 2010 at 10:59 pm (This post was last modified: September 1, 2010 at 11:26 pm by annatar.)
Quote:Why do you pick one statement out of a passage and then make an assumption about it's meaning. That's the same as plucking 2+2 out of this problem ?=10-(2+2) and saying the answer is 4. Your analysis of the passage is ridiculous at best.
Becouse both passages are exists in this thread. And becouse that statements are punchlines of their passages.
Yes I know you don't believe in my conclusions to Matthew 15:22-28...
If you have a better explaination to this story hmm wait.... Oh I reviewed the thread and I saw your poor explaination.
Quote:Exactly why do you think that this is not about faith as I see the story it is only about faith. Jesus used this situation to prove something to His disciples "faith".
If you really see that story is about "faith" you should have your eyes checked.
Jesus called her as dog just becouse she is not a jew. And he refused to help her until she accept her place is not equal to jews. Actually not equal to humans as well... As I said before This is not faith! This is the submission of a desperate slave!
Bottomline is Jews are the children and others are dogs in the eyes of the lord. And if you accept that you can eat the crumbs that fall from your masters' table. Nothing much...
So if you have a better better explaination I am here...
Quote:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
Quote:Why do you pick one statement out of a passage and then make an assumption about it's meaning. That's the same as plucking 2+2 out of this problem ?=10-(2+2) and saying the answer is 4. Your analysis of the passage is ridiculous at best.
Becouse both passages are exists in this thread. And becouse that statements are punchlines of their passages.
Yes I know you don't believe in my conclusions to Matthew 15:22-28...
If you have a better explaination to this story hmm wait.... Oh I reviewed the thread and I saw your poor explaination.
GC Wrote:Exactly why do you think that this is not about faith as I see the story it is only about faith. Jesus used this situation to prove something to His disciples "faith".
If you really see that story is about "faith" you should have your eyes checked.
Jesus called her as dog just becouse she is not a jew. And he refused to help her until she accept her place is not equal to jews. Actually not equal to humans as well... As I said before This is not faith! This is the submission of a desperate slave! Bottomline is Jews are the children and others are dogs in the eyes of the lord.And if you accept that you can eat the crumbs that fall from your masters' table. Nothing much... So if you have a better better explaination I am here...
Answering what's in bold letters.No, your wrong about Christ He loves everyone, His concern was /is for the salvation of all people. The Jewish people had this attitude toward all other people.
Answering what's underlined. I would rather have the scraps from the table of Christ than all the delectable foods in the world, and if you knew how much I like to eat you would understand how it's more important to me to eat from the table of Christ even if all I received was scraps.
Answering what's in italics. Matt.15:22-28 V.22) You never gave any thought to a Canaanite woman believeing in Jesus as the Christ did you. As stated above it's the Jews who would have thought of her as a dog not Christ. This woman believed Jesus could heal her demon possessed child, because He is the Christ. V.23) Jesus knew His disciples hearts they felt the same as all Jews did about non-Jews. He did not answer her to get a reaction from His disciples. They were true to form and embarrassed about this Canaanite woman crying out to Jesus for help and probably because they thought He might help this low-life person. This is why they asked Jesus to send her away. V.24) Christ's reply was to His disciples not to the Canaanite woman, He was trying to show them how bad their attitude was, He wanted them to remember what He had been teaching (if you need a reminder go back and read the Sermon on the Mount which starts at Matt.5:1. V.25) shows this woman's great faith which Jesus will verbally acknowledge. V.26) Here Jesus tells her it is not proper to take from the worthy and give it to the unworthy, He was not stating she was a dog. V.27) Here she states her true faith, her statement showed she knew that many of the Jews would not accept Jesus as the Christ and that what they were rejecting she accepted. V.28) Christ in this verse verbally states His acceptance of her faith and does for her what she asked of Him.
This interaction with the Canaanite woman was to teach the disciples that they were lacking in the love they should have for others be they Jew or non-Jew. You should not take passages and interpret them as you want (that is to make Christ out to be the bad guy) until you have compared them to the rest of scripture ie. Sermon on the Mount and many other passages about Christ. So NO Jesus never called this Canaanite woman a dog. If you still believe that He called her a dog I pity that your heart will not allow you to see the love Christ has for those in this situation.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Quote:Why do you pick one statement out of a passage and then make an assumption about it's meaning.
Xtians are famous for that, G-C.
"“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One to be Ruler in Israel,"
You guys point to this line and shout "Yup...there's fucking Jesus!!!! Hallelujah!!! Hosanna!!! ( And all your other bullshit.)
However, if you bother reading the whole passage, ( a lot of work I know) you find
Quote:Micah 5
1 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, [a]
for a siege is laid against us.
They will strike Israel's ruler
on the cheek with a rod.
2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [b] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins [c] are from of old,
from ancient times. [d] "
3 Therefore Israel will be abandoned
until the time when she who is in labor gives birth
and the rest of his brothers return
to join the Israelites.
4 He will stand and shepherd his flock
in the strength of the LORD,
in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God.
And they will live securely, for then his greatness
will reach to the ends of the earth.
5 And he will be their peace. When the Assyrian invades our land
and marches through our fortresses,
we will raise against him seven shepherds,
even eight leaders of men.
6 They will rule [e] the land of Assyria with the sword,
the land of Nimrod with drawn sword. [f]
He will deliver us from the Assyrian
when he invades our land
and marches into our borders.
that it is about the Assyrian invasion....
Oh, and btw, bible bullshit aside, they did not (EVER) rule the land of Assyria. Looks like another fuck up in your supposedly unfuckupable book.
Quote:Why do you pick one statement out of a passage and then make an assumption about it's meaning. That's the same as plucking 2+2 out of this problem ?=10-(2+2) and saying the answer is 4. Your analysis of the passage is ridiculous at best.
Becouse both passages are exists in this thread. And becouse that statements are punchlines of their passages.
Yes I know you don't believe in my conclusions to Matthew 15:22-28...
If you have a better explaination to this story hmm wait.... Oh I reviewed the thread and I saw your poor explaination.
GC Wrote:Exactly why do you think that this is not about faith as I see the story it is only about faith. Jesus used this situation to prove something to His disciples "faith".
If you really see that story is about "faith" you should have your eyes checked.
Jesus called her as dog just becouse she is not a jew. And he refused to help her until she accept her place is not equal to jews. Actually not equal to humans as well... As I said before This is not faith! This is the submission of a desperate slave! Bottomline is Jews are the children and others are dogs in the eyes of the lord.And if you accept that you can eat the crumbs that fall from your masters' table. Nothing much... So if you have a better better explaination I am here...
Answering what's in bold letters.No, your wrong about Christ He loves everyone, His concern was /is for the salvation of all people. The Jewish people had this attitude toward all other people.
Answering what's underlined. I would rather have the scraps from the table of Christ than all the delectable foods in the world, and if you knew how much I like to eat you would understand how it's more important to me to eat from the table of Christ even if all I received was scraps.
Answering what's in italics. Matt.15:22-28 V.22) You never gave any thought to a Canaanite woman believeing in Jesus as the Christ did you. As stated above it's the Jews who would have thought of her as a dog not Christ. This woman believed Jesus could heal her demon possessed child, because He is the Christ. V.23) Jesus knew His disciples hearts they felt the same as all Jews did about non-Jews. He did not answer her to get a reaction from His disciples. They were true to form and embarrassed about this Canaanite woman crying out to Jesus for help and probably because they thought He might help this low-life person. This is why they asked Jesus to send her away. V.24) Christ's reply was to His disciples not to the Canaanite woman, He was trying to show them how bad their attitude was, He wanted them to remember what He had been teaching (if you need a reminder go back and read the Sermon on the Mount which starts at Matt.5:1. V.25) shows this woman's great faith which Jesus will verbally acknowledge. V.26) Here Jesus tells her it is not proper to take from the worthy and give it to the unworthy, He was not stating she was a dog. V.27) Here she states her true faith, her statement showed she knew that many of the Jews would not accept Jesus as the Christ and that what they were rejecting she accepted. V.28) Christ in this verse verbally states His acceptance of her faith and does for her what she asked of Him.
This interaction with the Canaanite woman was to teach the disciples that they were lacking in the love they should have for others be they Jew or non-Jew. You should not take passages and interpret them as you want (that is to make Christ out to be the bad guy) until you have compared them to the rest of scripture ie. Sermon on the Mount and many other passages about Christ. So NO Jesus never called this Canaanite woman a dog. If you still believe that He called her a dog I pity that your heart will not allow you to see the love Christ has for those in this situation.
You can Justify Hitler's actions with exact same way. You can say that hitler was just trying to teach the world that the antisemitism is bad.. Or he just killed those jews to teach racism bad..
Quote:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
Quote:Why do you pick one statement out of a passage and then make an assumption about it's meaning. That's the same as plucking 2+2 out of this problem ?=10-(2+2) and saying the answer is 4. Your analysis of the passage is ridiculous at best.
Becouse both passages are exists in this thread. And becouse that statements are punchlines of their passages.
Yes I know you don't believe in my conclusions to Matthew 15:22-28...
If you have a better explaination to this story hmm wait.... Oh I reviewed the thread and I saw your poor explaination.
GC Wrote:Exactly why do you think that this is not about faith as I see the story it is only about faith. Jesus used this situation to prove something to His disciples "faith".
If you really see that story is about "faith" you should have your eyes checked.
Jesus called her as dog just becouse she is not a jew. And he refused to help her until she accept her place is not equal to jews. Actually not equal to humans as well... As I said before This is not faith! This is the submission of a desperate slave! Bottomline is Jews are the children and others are dogs in the eyes of the lord.And if you accept that you can eat the crumbs that fall from your masters' table. Nothing much... So if you have a better better explaination I am here...
Answering what's in bold letters.No, your wrong about Christ He loves everyone, His concern was /is for the salvation of all people. The Jewish people had this attitude toward all other people.
Answering what's underlined. I would rather have the scraps from the table of Christ than all the delectable foods in the world, and if you knew how much I like to eat you would understand how it's more important to me to eat from the table of Christ even if all I received was scraps.
Answering what's in italics. Matt.15:22-28 V.22) You never gave any thought to a Canaanite woman believeing in Jesus as the Christ did you. As stated above it's the Jews who would have thought of her as a dog not Christ. This woman believed Jesus could heal her demon possessed child, because He is the Christ. V.23) Jesus knew His disciples hearts they felt the same as all Jews did about non-Jews. He did not answer her to get a reaction from His disciples. They were true to form and embarrassed about this Canaanite woman crying out to Jesus for help and probably because they thought He might help this low-life person. This is why they asked Jesus to send her away. V.24) Christ's reply was to His disciples not to the Canaanite woman, He was trying to show them how bad their attitude was, He wanted them to remember what He had been teaching (if you need a reminder go back and read the Sermon on the Mount which starts at Matt.5:1. V.25) shows this woman's great faith which Jesus will verbally acknowledge. V.26) Here Jesus tells her it is not proper to take from the worthy and give it to the unworthy, He was not stating she was a dog. V.27) Here she states her true faith, her statement showed she knew that many of the Jews would not accept Jesus as the Christ and that what they were rejecting she accepted. V.28) Christ in this verse verbally states His acceptance of her faith and does for her what she asked of Him.
This interaction with the Canaanite woman was to teach the disciples that they were lacking in the love they should have for others be they Jew or non-Jew. You should not take passages and interpret them as you want (that is to make Christ out to be the bad guy) until you have compared them to the rest of scripture ie. Sermon on the Mount and many other passages about Christ. So NO Jesus never called this Canaanite woman a dog. If you still believe that He called her a dog I pity that your heart will not allow you to see the love Christ has for those in this situation.
You can Justify Hitler's actions with exact same way. You can say that hitler was just trying to teach the world that the antisemitism is bad.. Or he just killed those jews to teach racism bad..
Why do you even ask for someones explanations when you already know you're not going to accept it in any way. Your above answer is about the craziest thing I've ever read. You and other atheist on this site have your pat little answer "look at Hitler he........." grow up and us your brain please.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Answering what's in bold letters.No, your wrong about Christ He loves everyone, His concern was /is for the salvation of all people. The Jewish people had this attitude toward all other people.
Answering what's underlined. I would rather have the scraps from the table of Christ than all the delectable foods in the world, and if you knew how much I like to eat you would understand how it's more important to me to eat from the table of Christ even if all I received was scraps.
Answering what's in italics. Matt.15:22-28 V.22) You never gave any thought to a Canaanite woman believeing in Jesus as the Christ did you. As stated above it's the Jews who would have thought of her as a dog not Christ. This woman believed Jesus could heal her demon possessed child, because He is the Christ. V.23) Jesus knew His disciples hearts they felt the same as all Jews did about non-Jews. He did not answer her to get a reaction from His disciples. They were true to form and embarrassed about this Canaanite woman crying out to Jesus for help and probably because they thought He might help this low-life person. This is why they asked Jesus to send her away. V.24) Christ's reply was to His disciples not to the Canaanite woman, He was trying to show them how bad their attitude was, He wanted them to remember what He had been teaching (if you need a reminder go back and read the Sermon on the Mount which starts at Matt.5:1. V.25) shows this woman's great faith which Jesus will verbally acknowledge. V.26) Here Jesus tells her it is not proper to take from the worthy and give it to the unworthy, He was not stating she was a dog. V.27) Here she states her true faith, her statement showed she knew that many of the Jews would not accept Jesus as the Christ and that what they were rejecting she accepted. V.28) Christ in this verse verbally states His acceptance of her faith and does for her what she asked of Him.
This interaction with the Canaanite woman was to teach the disciples that they were lacking in the love they should have for others be they Jew or non-Jew. You should not take passages and interpret them as you want (that is to make Christ out to be the bad guy) until you have compared them to the rest of scripture ie. Sermon on the Mount and many other passages about Christ. So NO Jesus never called this Canaanite woman a dog. If you still believe that He called her a dog I pity that your heart will not allow you to see the love Christ has for those in this situation.
Bit of a moot point really GC, since jesus is an imaginary person.
If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.
Answering what's in bold letters.No, your wrong about Christ He loves everyone, His concern was /is for the salvation of all people. The Jewish people had this attitude toward all other people.
Answering what's underlined. I would rather have the scraps from the table of Christ than all the delectable foods in the world, and if you knew how much I like to eat you would understand how it's more important to me to eat from the table of Christ even if all I received was scraps.
Answering what's in italics. Matt.15:22-28 V.22) You never gave any thought to a Canaanite woman believeing in Jesus as the Christ did you. As stated above it's the Jews who would have thought of her as a dog not Christ. This woman believed Jesus could heal her demon possessed child, because He is the Christ. V.23) Jesus knew His disciples hearts they felt the same as all Jews did about non-Jews. He did not answer her to get a reaction from His disciples. They were true to form and embarrassed about this Canaanite woman crying out to Jesus for help and probably because they thought He might help this low-life person. This is why they asked Jesus to send her away. V.24) Christ's reply was to His disciples not to the Canaanite woman, He was trying to show them how bad their attitude was, He wanted them to remember what He had been teaching (if you need a reminder go back and read the Sermon on the Mount which starts at Matt.5:1. V.25) shows this woman's great faith which Jesus will verbally acknowledge. V.26) Here Jesus tells her it is not proper to take from the worthy and give it to the unworthy, He was not stating she was a dog. V.27) Here she states her true faith, her statement showed she knew that many of the Jews would not accept Jesus as the Christ and that what they were rejecting she accepted. V.28) Christ in this verse verbally states His acceptance of her faith and does for her what she asked of Him.
This interaction with the Canaanite woman was to teach the disciples that they were lacking in the love they should have for others be they Jew or non-Jew. You should not take passages and interpret them as you want (that is to make Christ out to be the bad guy) until you have compared them to the rest of scripture ie. Sermon on the Mount and many other passages about Christ. So NO Jesus never called this Canaanite woman a dog. If you still believe that He called her a dog I pity that your heart will not allow you to see the love Christ has for those in this situation.
Bit of a moot point really GC, since jesus is an imaginary person.
In your mind only so I guess with you it would be moot.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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