Responding to "Homosexuality is wrong, the same way incest is wrong"

[Esquilax]

For me a parent with a child is wrong even if the child is of the age of consent. Same goes for any person who had a position of authority when raising the child. I can't shake the feeling that if you raise a child you shouldn't raise them to ever want to have sex with you. It seems like an abuse of authority or something. But those are just feelings I have on the inside. 

I feel like everyone making this point is kinda assuming prior intent on the part of the parent without a reason to? Generally speaking parents never have the "you shouldn't try to have sex with me," talk, that's just something that biology takes care of, so it goes as a given. Keeping that in mind, isn't it more likely, or at least equally likely, without any additional data on the subject, that those kinds of relationships arise without any specifically intended grooming, or some gap or failure in parenting that results in it? Or hell, what about estranged parents and their adult kids? No position of authority issue there at all.

Obviously the grooming thing is gross and immoral and shouldn't happen, I'm not condoning that, but it's sort of weird for me to see so many people making a leap of logic to where the power differential is even a thing. Speaking for my family relationship alone, I don't even see a power differential at all; I stopped thinking of my parents as having any power over me the moment I moved out, nor do I give their opinions any special import... but then, my folks are highly flawed individuals, with whom I have an adversarial relationship at best. My point is, there's as many shades of difference in that relationship as there are in any other.

[Losty]

For me a parent with a child is wrong even if the child is of the age of consent. Same goes for any person who had a position of authority when raising the child. I can't shake the feeling that if you raise a child you shouldn't raise them to ever want to have sex with you. It seems like an abuse of authority or something. But those are just feelings I have on the inside. 

I feel like everyone making this point is kinda assuming prior intent on the part of the parent without a reason to? Generally speaking parents never have the "you shouldn't try to have sex with me," talk, that's just something that biology takes care of, so it goes as a given. Keeping that in mind, isn't it more likely, or at least equally likely, without any additional data on the subject, that those kinds of relationships arise without any specifically intended grooming, or some gap or failure in parenting that results in it? Or hell, what about estranged parents and their adult kids? No position of authority issue there at all.

Obviously the grooming thing is gross and immoral and shouldn't happen, I'm not condoning that, but it's sort of weird for me to see so many people making a leap of logic to where the power differential is even a thing. Speaking for my family relationship alone, I don't even see a power differential at all; I stopped thinking of my parents as having any power over me the moment I moved out, nor do I give their opinions any special import... but then, my folks are highly flawed individuals, with whom I have an adversarial relationship at best. My point is, there's as many shades of difference in that relationship as there are in any other.

I guess maybe it's wrong of me to feel this way, but...just because you stopped thinkin of your parents that way doesn't mean everyone does. 

If there's a consensual adult relationship between parent/child where grooming for this wasn't involved then it's none of my business. It's just really hard for me to imagine such a scenario and not get the creepy feeling that it was influenced by the parent. Like I said those are just inside feelings. It's like with abortion, it gives me an icky terrible inside feeling even though I'm the most pro-choice person I've ever met. 

[Esquilax]

I guess maybe it's wrong of me to feel this way, but...just because you stopped thinkin of your parents that way doesn't mean everyone does.

Sure! And the reverse is equally true. That's my point.

[JewishAthiest]

It is not easy for me to clearly express my thoughts and opinions in English and to keep up with you - the opening post alone took like an hour and a half to write (literally, an hour and a half) - so forgive me if I did not take a part in the discussion that followed.
But don't think I didn't read everything. These are all interesting points that you made.

[Joshua martin pryce]

Honestly, I don't give a crap if you want to bone your sister; as long as you're both of consenting age, I couldn't give two monkey butts.

lol he shouldnt want to do that the bible says dont do it. you can catch diseases doing that and if you have children after doing it. chances are your kid will be meswsed up physically and mentally.

[Homeless Nutter]

 lol he shouldnt want to do that the bible says dont do it.  

Where exactly does it says so? Lot's daughters f***ed him in order to have his children and apparently it was fine by god (Genesis 19:30-36). No punishment or anything - in fact those children became (according to the bible anyway) leaders of their own tribes - Moabites and Ammonites, whom even Moses was not allowed to slaughter (De 2:19) , despite the fact they worshiped idols. God does not give a s**t. 

  you can catch diseases doing that [...]

Really? Care to name ONE disease, that's contracted through incest, but not through sex with non-related people? I didn't think so... 
And if you're going to "rate" sexuality by probability of catching STDs - then god must REALLY love lesbians, because they have way lower chances of catching STDs, than heterosexuals. That must mean - god wants you to be a lesbian.

As for raised probability of genetic defects in offspring from incestual relationships - sure. Too bad god does not know about genetics - and anyway, supposedly he can create children ill or healthy, regardless of their genetic makeup. Which is why so many children of god-fearing christians are born with defects.

[Whateverist]

Honestly, I don't give a crap if you want to bone your sister; as long as you're both of consenting age, I couldn't give two monkey butts.

lol he shouldnt want to do that the bible says dont do it. you can catch diseases doing that ..

Hey I boned your sister last week and I'm clean. You should try her, she was actually pretty good.

[downbeatplumb]

lol he shouldnt want to do that the bible says dont do it. you can catch diseases doing that ..

Hey I boned your sister last week and I'm clean.  You should try her, she was actually pretty good.

I've had better.

[Esquilax]

lol he shouldnt want to do that the bible says dont do it.

Even if that were true, and it's not, why do you think "bible sez" means a whit to us atheists?

While you're at it, would you like to consider Adam and Eve, for even a single good goddamn second? Because if everyone on the planet is the eventual offspring of two people, and the genealogies of their children do include offspring themselves, then isn't incest an inescapable consequence of that? Like, repeatedly? By your god's design? Cain married his sister, according to some texts.

... You haven't read your bible, have you?

[Whateverist]

Didn't you know? Reading the bible is the greatest obstacle to believing it unflinchingly.