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May 24, 2015 at 11:22 am
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(May 24, 2015 at 10:20 am)Randy Carson Wrote: If God so easily forgives you for raping children or killing your spouse, why is anyone prattling on about how bad it is in the first place?
God will forgive you, so go ahead and have your fun.
Good point. I honestly wonder how you Christians can condemn certain acts when all that really matters is being forgiven by God and getting into heaven. Who's to object to a little rape and murder if the almighty will simply forgive you for it and let you in the pearly gates anyway? That's perfect justice, right?
The real problem, however, is that Christians are extremely vocal about condemning everyone else's sins and screaming about how God disapproves, but when they get busted themselves, suddenly it's all about "god's forgiveness" and "everybody sins." It's the hypocrisy I can't stand and the fact that many Christians are stone throwers refusing to admit they live in glass houses.
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May 24, 2015 at 11:46 am
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(May 24, 2015 at 11:22 am)Faith No More Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 10:20 am)Randy Carson Wrote: If God so easily forgives you for raping children or killing your spouse, why is anyone prattling on about how bad it is in the first place?
God will forgive you, so go ahead and have your fun.
Good point. I honestly wonder how you Christians can condemn certain acts when all that really matters is being forgiven by God and getting into heaven. Who's to object to a little rape and murder if the almighty will simply forgive you for it and let you in the pearly gates anyway?
If your son intentionally throws a baseball through a window, it is objectively wrong. But why should he worry when he knows you will forgive him eventually? Mom and Dad aren't going to throw him out of the house for a window.
Quote:That's perfect justice, right?
What you describe is NOT perfect justice (and you knew that). Perfect justice was meted out at Calvary. God's forgiveness is a result of that.
Quote:The real problem, however, is that Christians are extremely vocal about condemning everyone else's sins and screaming about how God disapproves, but when they get busted themselves, suddenly it's all about "god's forgiveness" and "everybody sins." It's the hypocrisy I can't stand and the fact that many Christians are stone throwers refusing to admit they live in glass houses.
Some Christians are like that. But not all. Not even the majority. Atheists are like that, too, in the sense that they do things that they know are wrong but then they easily forgive themselves and move on.
That's part of the human condition, I guess...something that no amount of evolution seems to have corrected in us...yet. 
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May 24, 2015 at 12:02 pm
You lost me at objectively wrong
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May 24, 2015 at 12:07 pm
(May 24, 2015 at 11:46 am)Randy Carson Wrote: If your son intentionally throws a baseball through a window, it is objectively wrong. But why should he worry when he knows you will forgive him eventually? Mom and Dad aren't going to throw him out of the house for a window.
He should worry because I'm going to teach him that what is important is making restitution and learning from his mistakes, not my forgiveness, which is the opposite of what the bible teaches.
Quote:Some Christians are like that. But not all. Not even the majority. Atheists are like that, too, in the sense that they do things that they know are wrong but then they easily forgive themselves and move on.
The difference being that atheists don't go belive and tell theists that they deserve eternal punishment for being morally inferior.
Quote:That's part of the human condition, I guess...something that no amount of evolution seems to have corrected in us...yet.
And what in your infinite wisdom would make you think evolution should do such a thing?
But be careful there. You don't want to upset the big man in the pointy hat. He says evolution is real.
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May 24, 2015 at 12:23 pm
(May 24, 2015 at 12:07 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 11:46 am)Randy Carson Wrote: If your son intentionally throws a baseball through a window, it is objectively wrong. But why should he worry when he knows you will forgive him eventually? Mom and Dad aren't going to throw him out of the house for a window.
He should worry because I'm going to teach him that what is important is making restitution and learning from his mistakes, not my forgiveness, which is the opposite of what the bible teaches.
You must have a different translation from the one I have.
Quote:Some Christians are like that. But not all. Not even the majority. Atheists are like that, too, in the sense that they do things that they know are wrong but then they easily forgive themselves and move on.
The difference being that atheists don't go belive and tell theists that they deserve eternal punishment for being morally inferior.[/quote]
I've never told an atheist that. I'd even venture that most Christians haven't.
Quote:Quote:That's part of the human condition, I guess...something that no amount of evolution seems to have corrected in us...yet.
And what in your infinite wisdom would make you think evolution should do such a thing?
But be careful there. You don't want to upset the big man in the pointy hat. He says evolution is real.
Over time, we have learned all sorts of things to improve our lives materially, but we don't seem to have improved ourselves spiritually much, do we? Of course, recorded history is just a drop in the bucket in the vastness of history.
Maybe we really are less selfish, greedy, prideful, lustful, etc. than our ancient forefathers...but I doubt it.
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May 24, 2015 at 12:32 pm
(May 24, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I've never told an atheist that. I'd even venture that most Christians haven't.
That's quite antithetical to my experience. That's usually the first thing that I hear.
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May 24, 2015 at 12:40 pm
(May 24, 2015 at 11:46 am)Randy Carson Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 11:22 am)Faith No More Wrote: Good point. I honestly wonder how you Christians can condemn certain acts when all that really matters is being forgiven by God and getting into heaven. Who's to object to a little rape and murder if the almighty will simply forgive you for it and let you in the pearly gates anyway?
If your son intentionally throws a baseball through a window, it is objectively wrong. But why should he worry when he knows you will forgive him eventually? Mom and Dad aren't going to throw him out of the house for a window.
If that kid's parents were like god, not only would they throw him out of the house, they'd curse him and all his progeny to a life of pain and suffering.
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May 24, 2015 at 12:43 pm
EMPHASIS is in the original and has NOT been added:
(May 24, 2015 at 10:53 am)Randy Carson Wrote: ...
God can and does forgive ANY sin if we ask, but that does not mean that we should take those sins lightly. ...
Matthew 12:
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mark 3:
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Luke 12:
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
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May 24, 2015 at 12:53 pm
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(May 24, 2015 at 12:32 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I've never told an atheist that. I'd even venture that most Christians haven't.
That's quite antithetical to my experience. That's usually the first thing that I hear.
God bless 'em, they mean well. And they think they are doing you a kindness.
I apologize to you, SC, on behalf of boorish Christians everywhere. Both you and God deserve a better witness than we have given you.
(May 24, 2015 at 12:43 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: EMPHASIS is in the original and has NOT been added:
(May 24, 2015 at 10:53 am)Randy Carson Wrote: ...
God can and does forgive ANY sin if we ask, but that does not mean that we should take those sins lightly. ...
Matthew 12:
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mark 3:
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Luke 12:
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Amen! Gotta love it when even atheists start quoting scripture.
But is there a question or comment in our future?
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May 24, 2015 at 2:22 pm
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(May 24, 2015 at 12:40 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: (May 24, 2015 at 11:46 am)Randy Carson Wrote: If your son intentionally throws a baseball through a window, it is objectively wrong. But why should he worry when he knows you will forgive him eventually? Mom and Dad aren't going to throw him out of the house for a window.
If that kid's parents were like god, not only would they throw him out of the house, they'd curse him and all his progeny to a life of pain and suffering.
This. The way I would react depends on the circumstances surrounding the baseball through the window. Did my child do something stupid, like knowingly stand too close to the house? Did he openly admit his mistake or did I have to find out for myself? Either way, he or she(I have both daughters and sons) is going to have to somehow pay back the cost of the window. I will not torture my child for an eternity if he or she refuses to acknowledge their guilt.
A lot of the atheists on this forum have read the bible and understand what it says so don't be surprised, Randy at the scripture quoting.
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