The Utter Irrelevance of the New Testament

[dyresand]

You claim to have proven something.....................I think you wasted your time "proving" such a silly thing to begin with.

The hot tub is ready steaks are on the grill. Also theists still trying to defend the historical accuracy of the bible.
I know something that is more historically accurate everything literally anything man made is more historically accurate. 

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Because there is no evidence at all that there ever was a "time of jesus."  Work on establishing that first.

The majority of reputable historians disagree with you.  I'll accept their opinions.

Most historians for sake of argument say there may have been a figure called jesus. There is a severe lack of evidence of such 
person existing. If jesus had been kill by Pilate or even spoken with him there would have been something documented by the romans
or even Pilate would have written something down. 

[Huggy Bear]

You claim to have proven something.....................I think you wasted your time "proving" such a silly thing to begin with.  As usual, you have failed to provide a compelling explanation of your claims.

Anyone with a brain can see the link between the Babylonian, Egypt, and Greek mythologies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_religion

Hellenistic religion is any of the various systems of beliefs and practices of the people who lived under the influence of ancient Greek culture during the Hellenistic period and the Roman Empire (c. 300 BCE to 300 CE). There was much continuity in Hellenistic religion: the Greek gods continued to be worshipped, and the same rites were practiced as before.

Change came from the addition of new religions from other countries, including the Egyptian deities Isis and Serapis, and the Syrian Gods of Atargatis and of Hadad, which provided a new outlet for people seeking fulfillment in both the present life and the afterlife. The worship of Hellenistic rulers was also a feature of this period, most notably in Egypt, where the Ptolemies adopted earlier pharaonic practice, and established themselves as god-kings.

Like I said, since you claim what I said was untrue, where is YOUR evidence refuting anything I said? Or is it the atheists position to  claim everything is untrue without looking into what is being discussed... kinda like what you did with the bees

[dyresand]

You claim to have proven something.....................I think you wasted your time "proving" such a silly thing to begin with.  As usual, you have failed to provide a compelling explanation of your claims.

Anyone with a brain can see the link between the Babylonian, Egypt, and Greek mythologies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_religion

Hellenistic religion is any of the various systems of beliefs and practices of the people who lived under the influence of ancient Greek culture during the Hellenistic period and the Roman Empire (c. 300 BCE to 300 CE). There was much continuity in Hellenistic religion: the Greek gods continued to be worshipped, and the same rites were practiced as before.

Change came from the addition of new religions from other countries, including the Egyptian deities Isis and Serapis, and the Syrian Gods of Atargatis and of Hadad, which provided a new outlet for people seeking fulfillment in both the present life and the afterlife. The worship of Hellenistic rulers was also a feature of this period, most notably in Egypt, where the Ptolemies adopted earlier pharaonic practice, and established themselves as god-kings.

Like I said, since you claim what I said was untrue, where is YOUR evidence refuting anything I said? Or is it the atheists position to  claim everything is untrue without looking into what is being discussed... kinda like what you did with the bees

1. if you have a brain then you can realize that your religion is not safe from being subject to the fact most of the bible is not original. 

2. We have fact's you faith what is stronger a feeling or something that is documented as fact. 

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you claim to have proven "a link"?  No.... you do not, shitwit.  You claim to have proven something entirely more amusing.  

(Tell me more about the bees btw, is that important to you, today? I thought it might be...lol)

Frankly, I think that you're a troll and a liar, and I'm just waiting for you to fuck up, like you always do. /shrugs.

[Huggy Bear]

Do you claim to have proven "a link"?  No.... you do not, shitwit.  You claim to have proven something entirely more amusing.

No, what I said was i wrote a detailed post (in another thread) which contained proof, feel free to look it up.

Frankly, I think that you're a troll and a liar,

How am I trolling again?

and I'm just waiting for you to fuck up, like you always do.  /shrugs.

You mean like this?
http://atheistforums.org/thread-21336-po...#pid759605

I'm not going to go through line by line and tell you why each and every example is ignorance when any example will explain why -any other- is ignorance.

Wait...wait..you think that the only way a pattern can emerge is if the bees are ticking out numbers in their heads...doing reproductive math? You don't think that it has anything to do with the manner in which bees produce, and the way we might be able to express that mathematically?

Bees, btw...all have 2 parents. They reproduce sexually.........

Wrong, males come from a unfertilized egg, meaning they have no father....

Oh wait.... I forgot, quoting atheists when they say something stupid is considered trolling.....

Ban away.

[Minimalist]

Carrier notes the following:

All mystery religions centered on a central savior deity (literally called
the soter, 'the savior', which is essentially the meaning of the word 'Jesus',
as explained in Chapter 6, §3), always a son of god (or occasionally a
daughter of god), who underwent some sort of suffering (enduring some
sort of trial or ordeal) by which they procured salvation for all who participate
in their cult (their deed of torment having given them dominion over
death). These deaths or trials were l itera11y ca11ed a 'passion' (patheon, lit.
'sufferings'), exactly as in Christianity.78 Sometimes this 'passion' was an
actual death and resurrection (Osiris); sometimes it was some kind of terrible
labor defeating the forces of death (Mithras), or variations thereof. All
mystery religions had an initiation ritual in which the congregant symbolically
reenacts what the god endured (1ike Christian baptism: Rom. 6.3-4;
Col. 2. 1 2), thus sharing in the salvation the god had achieved (Gal. 3.27;
1 Cor. 1 2. 1 3), and all involve a ritual meal that unites initiated members in
communion with one another and their god (I Cor. 1 1 .23-28). All of these
features are fundamental to Christianity, yet equally fundamental to all the
mystery cults that were extremely popular in the very era that Christianity
arose.79 The coincidence of all of these features together lining up this way
is simply too improbable to propose as just an accident.

Notably all the mystery religions were products of the same sort of cultural
syncretism. The Eleusinian mysteries were a syncretism of Levantine and
Hellenistic elements; the mysteries of Attis and Cybele were a syncretism of
Phrygian and Hellenistic elements; the mysteries of Jupiter Dolichenus were
a syncretism of Anatolian and Hellenistic elements; Mithraism was a syncretism
of Persian and Hellenistic elements; the mysteries of Isis and Osiris
were a syncretism of Egyptian and Hellenistic elements. Christianity is simply
a continuation of the same trend: a syncretism of Jewish and Hellenistic
elements. Each of these cults is unique and different from all the others in
nearly every detail-but it's the general features they all share in common
that reflect the overall fad that produced them in the first place, the very features
that made them popular and successful within Greco-Roman culture.

On the Historicity of Jesus, pgs 98-100

Nothing at all special about jesusism.  Just the same old shit that was commonplace in the region.

Jesus was nothing special.  That cult simply had the most thuggish followers who were willing to beat the shit out of the others and burn their temples in the name of "love" as soon as they got the chance.  Add in the power of the Roman empire and we end up with the Dark Ages.

[The Grand Nudger]

: Points and laughs :

I'm unconvinced by your "proof", I'm amused by the bigoted, and ignorant assumptions/implications thereof. This was all covered in my very first post. Next?