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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:34 am
(June 23, 2015 at 9:48 am)paulpablo Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 9:28 am)Drich Wrote: That seems to be a 'learn-ed' man's silly perception. That once 'science' can explain a 'natural phemona' works it can no longer be of God. My question to you is why is that?
That's not actually how it works. It starts by someone not being able to explain a natural phenomena and claiming god/ghosts/aliens/magic did it, then it gets explained and it turns out the god/ghosts/aliens/magic didn't do it.
It doesn't start out by an atheist just sat on his own thinking well I know how this lamp works so God definitely doesn't exist.
I think you missed the point of the OP
I am saying that you are right it did start out by attributing the unexplained to God. But, (here is what you don't seem to get) when we learned to explain how things work, we assume that God must remain in the realm of magic and mystery, and because we can explain how something like gravity works/it is no longer a mystery.. God can't be involved. When in fact the only thing one has disproved is the archaic idea of a magic only god.
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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:34 am
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(June 24, 2015 at 8:10 am)Drich Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 9:33 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: A god that works through the natural laws and our understanding of science is indistinguishable from a god that simply does not exist.
"our understanding of science"
That's a cute term that can include or exclude whatever you want it to. For example The German "understanding of science" in the 1930's and 40s said that non-Aryan races were not infact human, but a sub class, which needed to be purged from the planet.
'Science' as you understand it/have defined it is an excuse to not believe in God. Similarly 'science' can also be a tool used to show how God operates.
Man, you never pass up an opportunity to go Godwin, hm?
There's nothing about science that points to any kind of god. Please demonstrate how science implies a god.
Coherent, legible sentences please.
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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:35 am
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(June 24, 2015 at 8:02 am)Drich Wrote: Again, if you see proof of God, then you must A/S/K it from Him. [...]
What? We're supposed to bother the creator of the universe for proof of your nonsensical claims? Are you implying that he does not know we're not convinced of his existence? Or maybe he doesn't know how to make us believe and we need to pressure him into changing his "perfect" plan for us? Sounds very disrespectful, if you ask me. Be careful, or god will smite you with ass-cancer, for portraying him in such unflattering light....
No. I'd much rather bother stupid people like you. God does not make dumb claims on this forum. You do. Have some shame and take responsibility for your own words, instead of shifting burden of proof on your imaginary friends...
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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:36 am
(June 24, 2015 at 8:34 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Coherent, legible sentences please.
Woah there! Aren't we getting a bit too excited here?
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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:38 am
(June 23, 2015 at 11:40 am)Faith No More Wrote: It's funny, because God had no problem circumventing natural law back in the day. Now that scientific observation is valued, education is higher and recording devices are prevalent, suddenly this all-powerful deity is relegated to working through natural means. What would you expect us to conclude?
That's just it... How do you know God did not use 'scientific means' to accomplish what He wanted?
Again just because the people of the bible could not label what God did as 'science' or rather did not have our grasp or understanding of it does not mean God did not use a natural process to do what He did.
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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:41 am
(June 23, 2015 at 12:10 pm)KUSA Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 9:28 am)Drich Wrote: Of the three which mouse had it 'right?'
None of them did. Even after the third mouse's complete observation of the inner workings of said piano he was not any closer to the source of the music than the other two. In the end the third mouse could only describe the mechanism use by the source of the music to produce it. 'Science' or rather the idea that 'science' disproves or removes God from how things work is that third mouse.
You conveniently leave one thing out of the story. The fact that the mouse could have easily saw the person playing the piano.
I could tell you a story about an invisible gardener but I won't. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE STORY!
The Mouse Could have saw the Man Playing The Paino, But Stopped Looking Once He Saw The Strings!!!
The Same Is True For Any Of You, But Because Someone Told You Of the Strings And Hammers, You Too Have Stopped Looking!
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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:44 am
Why Are You Typing Like This?
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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:44 am
(June 23, 2015 at 12:10 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 9:28 am)Drich Wrote: That seems to be a 'learn-ed' man's silly perception. That once 'science' can explain a 'natural phemona' works it can no longer be of God. My question to you is why is that? Why can't 'science' be the how God does what He does, rather than the so called 'proof' their is no God?
Why should a natural event be attributed to a god? What was the process that leads you to that conclusion? Because God is the Creator of the Natural world.
The answers to your next questions:
The Bible Says so.
Because in the Bible we are told how to Find God. I looked according to the bible and found God. He is as the bible describes, therefore the bible is accurate.
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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:46 am
God created the natural word becaus the bible says so?
Do you expect that to convince anyone at all?
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RE: Does God only work through Magic?
June 24, 2015 at 8:49 am
(June 24, 2015 at 8:44 am)Drich Wrote: Because in the Bible we are told how to Find God. I looked according to the bible and found God. He is as the bible describes, therefore the bible is accurate.
(1) the bible was written by people
(2) people are full of shit
(3) therefore, the bible is the exact equivalent of 20,000 tons of elephant fecies
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