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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 12:58 am
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(June 27, 2015 at 10:16 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: 15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be[e] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[f] loosed in heaven.
19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” Again, dealing with a biblical idiot. Define bind and loose.
(June 27, 2015 at 10:20 pm)professor Wrote: "Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven....."
This is to those walking in obedience and faith to the Lord Jesus Christ- it is permission to make declarations and expect them to come to pass.
Declarations on earth/church will also be declarations in heaven?
(June 27, 2015 at 10:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
I think it is talking about diarrhea.
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(June 27, 2015 at 11:42 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: It says that if you truly know that someone is wrong in there actions to bring it to there attention in a humble personal manner. If they refuse to change let them act out in front of others and confront them about it together. If that does not work bring it up in the church which is supposed to be unbiased and know right from wrong. If this still doesn't work you have the right to run them off or kill them. Not sure which would have to clarify the offence of tax collector. 18 is simply saying that if you are with the truly right your judgments will be upheld in the afterlife. 19 implies that the more people that believe the greater the effect will be.
Hope that helped. No help at all. Translate not justify. How can a 25 word (approximate) statement in Matthew turn into what you replied. Refuse to change, act out, run off or kill, tax collector? OK, now to 18, truly right in jugdement on earth or in the church will be held truly right in heaven?
(June 27, 2015 at 10:20 pm)professor Wrote: "Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven....."
This is to those walking in obedience and faith to the Lord Jesus Christ- it is permission to make declarations and expect them to come to pass. So....... declarations on earth or in the church will be held in heaven? Come to pass where, earth, heaven, both?
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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 1:19 am
Whatever you dind to as good in your true good judgement he will bind to in his.
Is someone who is truthfully capable of judgement deems another as good then the lord will too.
Loose is the opposite. Loose or make distance from
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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 2:05 am
It says if he doesn't listen to the church you excommunicate him, simple.
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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 2:47 am
It's all metaphorical and shit man. What, did you think the word of god has one true meaning? Nah. You can stretch, interpret and twist the shit out of it to solve your current conundrum and then do it again saying it means something else while solving the next one! Innit great, the bible? It's like polyclay for your brain, but with more rape, slavery and genocide to justify!
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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 2:54 am
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The bible has gone through so many handwritten versions, so many translations, so many copies, so many edits that we can't possibly tell what the original meaning of any of it was. Even if we had it in pristine condition, it would be very hard to understand the culture at that time well enough to be able to properly learn the intended meaning in context.
And remember, we don't even know for sure that any of it was actually intended to be non-fiction. It reads a hell of a lot more like fiction than non to me.
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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 2:58 am
(June 28, 2015 at 2:54 am)robvalue Wrote: The bible has gone through so many handwritten versions, so many translations, so many copies, so many edits that we can't possibly tell what the original meaning of any of it was.
Rubbish. We know exactly what it says.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 7:38 am
(June 27, 2015 at 10:52 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You can't expect a xtian to know that, Stim.
Interesting, isn't it? I'm the furthest you can get from being a xtian and I knew it without even trying. If they're going to defend the atrocities promoted in their magic book, you'd think they'd at least have read the damn thing.
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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 8:06 am
(June 28, 2015 at 2:58 am)Aractus Wrote: (June 28, 2015 at 2:54 am)robvalue Wrote: The bible has gone through so many handwritten versions, so many translations, so many copies, so many edits that we can't possibly tell what the original meaning of any of it was.
Rubbish. We know exactly what it says.
Well sure, simple for you if you were able to stay awake while reading it. Better than Ambien for me.
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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 9:49 am
(June 28, 2015 at 12:07 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Thanks for the replies but still lost. Put it in 1984 Orwell speak. Could one of the translations be, what the church holds true on earth I will hold true in heaven?
From biblehub.com:
"Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
New Living Translation
"I tell you the truth, whatever you forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.
English Standard Version
Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
New American Standard Bible
"Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.
King James Bible
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I assure you: Whatever you bind on earth is already bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth is already loosed in heaven.
International Standard Version
"I tell all of you with certainty, whatever you prohibit on earth will have been prohibited in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will have been permitted in heaven.
Thanks to all that respond. I will take the NLT for $1000.00 please
I choose to permit:
Never ending sex
Alcohol
Drugs
Cussing
Rock and Roll
12 months of NFL and College football
No christians (perfect world right?)
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RE: Need bible translation
June 28, 2015 at 10:00 am
(June 28, 2015 at 12:07 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Could one of the translations be, what the church holds true on earth I will hold true in heaven?
Been watching 'Dogma' have we?
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