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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 8, 2015 at 7:12 pm
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(July 8, 2015 at 7:09 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 7:08 pm)IATIA Wrote: These 'professionals' are just as biased as any theist. They have already decided what they believe before researching. pocaracas has a valid point, but today's theists just ignore the fact that their religion is just a plagiarism of of the older religions.
Would that be true of the atheist and agnostic scholars of the NT, also?
That would be true of anyone that believes the NT or OT is original work. Atheists and agnostics have their fair share of idiots, it is not a domain owned solely by theists.
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July 8, 2015 at 7:22 pm
(July 8, 2015 at 7:08 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 7:03 pm)Easy Guns Wrote: I think the point is that any Tom, Dick or Harry can write a fun story about super mystical things.
Just because someone wrote a nice story, doesn't mean anything in that story actually happened.
Unless you believe that your Jesus wasn't the only performer of miracles and there have been many gods running around doing fantastic things?
Either they're all credible, or none of them are. You can't have it both ways, Randy.
Let me get this straight...you're arguing that stories from Greek mythology are JUST AS CREDIBLE as the New Testament?
I asked you a question, Randy.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 8, 2015 at 7:28 pm
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(July 8, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Easy Guns Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 7:08 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Let me get this straight...you're arguing that stories from Greek mythology are JUST AS CREDIBLE as the New Testament?
I asked you a question, Randy.
I think that genuine miracles could happen among non-Christians and that this would still be compatible with Christians beliefs and claims.
There is still only one God, and He loves ALL people, Easy, so I have no problem with Him deciding to raise a dead person or heal a sick child in a miraculous way.
He's taking all of us, even you, where we're at and trying to draw us closer to Himself.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 8, 2015 at 7:29 pm
(July 8, 2015 at 7:08 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Let me get this straight...you're arguing that stories from Greek mythology are JUST AS CREDIBLE as the New Testament?
Absolutely. And not just Greek mythology. All the stories of ancient gods are just as credible. They are written down (some in stone) and have eyewitnesses. What more do you need?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 8, 2015 at 7:31 pm
(July 8, 2015 at 7:29 pm)IATIA Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 7:08 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Let me get this straight...you're arguing that stories from Greek mythology are JUST AS CREDIBLE as the New Testament?
Absolutely. And not just Greek mythology. All the stories of ancient gods are just as credible. They are written down (some in stone) and have eyewitnesses. What more do you need?
Careful analysis of the claims.
If there were any real credibility, Horus, Osiris, Zeus and all the others would still be rock stars.
But they aren't, are they? ![[Image: no.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=forums.catholic.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fani%2Fno.gif)
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July 8, 2015 at 7:32 pm
(July 8, 2015 at 7:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Easy Guns Wrote: I asked you a question, Randy.
I think that genuine miracles could happen among non-Christians and that this would still be compatible with Christians beliefs and claims.
There is still only one God, and He loves ALL people, Easy, so I have no problem with Him deciding to raise a dead person or heal a sick child in a miraculous way.
He's taking all of us, even you, where we're at and trying to draw us closer to Himself.
Many teachings and writings throughout human history depict gods and messiahs very different from yours performing various fantastic and supernatural things.
The question was, do you believe these gods exist(ed) or not?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 8, 2015 at 7:39 pm
(July 8, 2015 at 7:32 pm)Easy Guns Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 7:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I think that genuine miracles could happen among non-Christians and that this would still be compatible with Christians beliefs and claims.
There is still only one God, and He loves ALL people, Easy, so I have no problem with Him deciding to raise a dead person or heal a sick child in a miraculous way.
He's taking all of us, even you, where we're at and trying to draw us closer to Himself.
Many teachings and writings throughout human history depict gods and messiahs very different from yours performing various fantastic and supernatural things.
The question was, do you believe these gods exist(ed) or not?
And I answered appropriately.
No, the gods themselves did not exist if they were not identified as a single creator God; they were attempts at understanding, and the charge of "God of the gaps" would rightly be applied to those efforts.
However, if and when people acknowledged a single creator of all that exists, then they were worshipping the true God and not images and idols. Muslims and Jews, for example, worship the true God even though they do not recognize the Trinity.
Throughout the course of human history, the one, true creator God has revealed Himself to mankind in various ways - which may include the performance of miracles even among those peoples who do not really know Him.
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July 8, 2015 at 7:40 pm
(July 8, 2015 at 7:31 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 7:29 pm)IATIA Wrote: Absolutely. And not just Greek mythology. All the stories of ancient gods are just as credible. They are written down (some in stone) and have eyewitnesses. What more do you need?
Careful analysis of the claims.
If there were any real credibility, Horus, Osiris, Zeus and all the others would still be rock stars.
But they aren't, are they?
I suppose murdering everyone who didn't follow the Christian Faith had nothing to do with that. [emoji106]
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 8, 2015 at 7:42 pm
Quote:Guess which one I'm going to enjoy quoting most? ![[Image: cool.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=atheistforums.org%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fcool.gif)
You'll be jerking off to both. Wankers like you always do.
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July 8, 2015 at 7:43 pm
(July 8, 2015 at 7:39 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 7:32 pm)Easy Guns Wrote: Many teachings and writings throughout human history depict gods and messiahs very different from yours performing various fantastic and supernatural things.
The question was, do you believe these gods exist(ed) or not?
And I answered appropriately.
No, the gods themselves did not exist if they were not identified as a single creator God; they were attempts at understanding, and the charge of "God of the gaps" would rightly be applied to those efforts.
However, if and when people acknowledged a single creator of all that exists, then they were worshipping the true God and not images and idols. Muslims and Jews, for example, worship the true God even though they do not recognize the Trinity.
Throughout the course of human history, the one, true creator God has revealed Himself to mankind in various ways - which may include the performance of miracles even among those peoples who do not really know Him.
So the stories of pagan gods impregnating women so that their seed could rule on Earth is really just your god being a perv?
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