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RE: All Hail the Second Amendment
May 15, 2014 at 8:34 am
(May 15, 2014 at 7:52 am)KUSA Wrote: Translation: Only aristocratic people deserve to use guns for protection. The commoners aren't important enough to have this consideration.
Translation: You choose to quote mine because you have no argument:
MindForgedManacle Wrote:The 1st strawman was the claim that I want to take your guns from you, which I never said. I said we need sensible gun regulation laws.
Because that totally says I want to take away all guns. Sounds like far-right logic...
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RE: All Hail the Second Amendment
May 15, 2014 at 12:07 pm
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2014 at 12:08 pm by MindForgedManacle.)
If THAT'S your criticism, you are almost certainly being hypocritical. Do you support the right for ANYONE to own ANY type of weapon? I very much doubt that you do, otherwise you should have no problem with people owning operational (and being able to use if they feel endangered) RPGs, grenades, and don't even get me started on the tanks. Why should the government be allowed to keep those out of the use of private hands?
Assuming you don't think we should be allowed to own and use such weaponry, it's obvious why you don't: it's unreasonable. There is clearly a limit to which you can reasonably be said to just be trying to protect yourself. Most especially if the weaponry involved has a clear likelihood (and precedence) of hurting others who are not your apparent aggressor.
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RE: All Hail the Second Amendment
May 15, 2014 at 12:35 pm
Please define reasonable, MFM. Existing laws in the US already prohibit criminals, the mentally defective and drug addicted people from owning firearms. Intoxicated people can own a gun, but they can't have it with them if they have consumed even a little bit of alcohol. If a person has a restraining order against them they can't legally buy a gun. What other restrictions would you like to see?
As far as machine guns, tanks and that sort of thing go they are legal to own now in most states for those that go through the correct legal processes to obtain them. Legally owned weapons of that sort are practically never used to commit violent crimes. What further restrictions need to be put on those types of things and more importantly why? It has been more than 80 years since a US civilian was convicted of using a legally owned machine gun to commit murder. That tells me the existing laws concerning ownership of these things are doing exactly what they were intended to do, and I fail to see the need to change them. I would however like to hear your reasons to place further restriction on these types of weapons, and how you think it would improve the status quo.
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RE: All Hail the Second Amendment
May 15, 2014 at 1:51 pm
But at least he died in the advancement of science!
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RE: All Hail the Second Amendment
May 15, 2014 at 2:37 pm
Bitch needs to work on her aim.
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RE: All Hail the Second Amendment
May 15, 2014 at 4:44 pm
I think we can all agree that idiots and guns don't mix. But, what do idiots mix well with?
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