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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:08 am
(September 20, 2014 at 9:53 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I think the difference between biblical accounts and alien abductions, is that an alien abduction claim has not radically changed my life.
As Crossless1 said, people that claim to have been abducted have had their lives radically changed.
Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Zoroastrians also claim to have their lives changed by their god.
None of your claims toward your religion and god are unique to Christianity.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:11 am
As far as I know Christianity is the only religion to claim that God came to earth as a human.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:12 am
(September 20, 2014 at 10:06 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Sorry I now understand your question. Yes I would naturally be skeptical of them, main reason being I don't believe in aliens.
That is a kind of a circular argument.
Basically you are saying, "I don't believe in aliens because I don't believe in aliens".
I was hoping to understand what your actual thinking process is to be skeptical of some extraordinary claims; alien abductions, in this case.
In other words, I was hoping to hear WHY you don't believe in aliens. I already figured you don't believe in them.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:14 am
(September 20, 2014 at 9:53 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I think the difference between biblical accounts and alien abductions, is that an alien abduction claim has not radically changed my life.
So the truth value of any claim is only determined by how you personally feel about it? Not anything else, just your personal opinion? 
Quote: As far as I know Christianity is the only religion to claim that God came to earth as a human.
So what if christianity is the only religion to make a specific, false claim?
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:15 am
(September 20, 2014 at 10:11 am)C4RM5 Wrote: As far as I know Christianity is the only religion to claim that God came to earth as a human.
So....?
Every religion has something that is unique about them. Pointing out one of the unique beliefs of yours adds zero credibility to it.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:21 am
(September 20, 2014 at 10:12 am)Simon Moon Wrote: (September 20, 2014 at 10:06 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Sorry I now understand your question. Yes I would naturally be skeptical of them, main reason being I don't believe in aliens.
That is a kind of a circular argument.
Basically you are saying, "I don't believe in aliens because I don't believe in aliens".
I was hoping to understand what your actual thinking process is to be skeptical of some extraordinary claims; alien abductions, in this case.
In other words, I was hoping to hear WHY you don't believe in aliens. I already figured you don't believe in them.
Generally I am quite a skeptical person, the reason I don't believe in aliens is because it is due to creation. It doesn't say in the Bible that aliens were made, therefore ot means aliens don't exist or they are just not mentioned in the creation story.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:23 am
(September 20, 2014 at 10:21 am)C4RM5 Wrote: (September 20, 2014 at 10:12 am)Simon Moon Wrote: That is a kind of a circular argument.
Basically you are saying, "I don't believe in aliens because I don't believe in aliens".
I was hoping to understand what your actual thinking process is to be skeptical of some extraordinary claims; alien abductions, in this case.
In other words, I was hoping to hear WHY you don't believe in aliens. I already figured you don't believe in them.
Generally I am quite a skeptical person, the reason I don't believe in aliens is because it is due to creation. It doesn't say in the Bible that aliens were made, therefore ot means aliens don't exist or they are just not mentioned in the creation story.
Skeptical . . . right. Aliens don't exist because the Bible doesn't mention them, but the magical resurrecting Jew -- that's another thing.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:25 am
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2014 at 10:27 am by C4RM5.)
The truth of the Bible is proven to me by the way it has changed my life.
I know there are differences between religions, that was my point, one religion is not the same as the other.
(September 20, 2014 at 10:23 am)Crossless1 Wrote: (September 20, 2014 at 10:21 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Generally I am quite a skeptical person, the reason I don't believe in aliens is because it is due to creation. It doesn't say in the Bible that aliens were made, therefore ot means aliens don't exist or they are just not mentioned in the creation story.
Skeptical . . . right. Aliens don't exist because the Bible doesn't mention them, but the magical resurrecting Jew -- that's another thing.
I said that aliens may or may not exist, but to me personally it doesn't matter.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:32 am
(September 20, 2014 at 10:21 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Generally I am quite a skeptical person, the reason I don't believe in aliens is because it is due to creation. It doesn't say in the Bible that aliens were made, therefore ot means aliens don't exist or they are just not mentioned in the creation story.
No you're not a skeptical person.
A skeptical person, when asked why they would not believe in alien abduction, would say something like:
"There is no demonstrable, verifiable evidence that aliens have visited earth".
Or,
"The nearest star is dozens of light years away. There is no known way to travel those distances".
Or some other reason based on lack of evidence.
Being skeptical is not appealing to an ancient book filled with magic, witches, dragons, gods sacrificing themselves to themselves, people living to 900 years old, a boat holding 2 or 7 of all the species on earth, men living in fish for 3 days, healing leprosy with bird blood, etc, etc.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 20, 2014 at 10:33 am
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(August 1, 2014 at 8:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (August 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Rob_W75 Wrote: All I need is evidence. Those who cannot see Him through His works have no chance of seeing His countenance.
(August 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Rob_W75 Wrote: Is there anything that could convince you that the God of the Bible may not exist? Yes, a compelling physicalist solution to the mind-brain problem. (That would at least give me serious pause.)
Those who cannot see him through his work have no chance of knowing he exists? It must be that your eyes and ears see things at different frequencies! It all makes sense now. I just wish I knew what you knew. That would be so great 
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