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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:20 pm
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That's an interesting point of view, but not at all what is being referred to when the term is employed.
What I find amusing, is that the description of cultural appropriation doesn't contain within it any commitment to shame. That's all that people seem to worry is being said, though. How many units of white guilt, how many acres, how many mules. What about royalty checks? Is it still cultural appropriation when blacks or natives do it?
All of these things, some other thing.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:21 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 7:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That's an interesting point of view, but not at all what is being referred to when the term is employed.
That's what the term means in my culture.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:23 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 10:54 am)Shell B Wrote: (June 27, 2017 at 6:18 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Shell B and I were both going at it, and Khemical as well, and somehow the playing field has flipped at least once, and almost twice.
Don't get too excited. I've only agreed that the far left has fascist elements.
The fringe is where the crazies live. My problem is that fascism seems to be drifting from the fringes toward the center. There are certain very oppressive views that are actually pretty common.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm
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(June 28, 2017 at 7:21 pm)Tiberius Wrote: That's what the term means in my culture.
Unless you belong to the Alt White Snowflake tribe..I doubt it.
(June 28, 2017 at 7:23 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 10:54 am)Shell B Wrote: Don't get too excited. I've only agreed that the far left has fascist elements.
The fringe is where the crazies live. My problem is that fascism seems to be drifting from the fringes toward the center. There are certain very oppressive views that are actually pretty common.
I really wish you''d stop misusing the word fascism. It dilutes the brand. 
Sure, authoritarianism is increasing on both sides, probably in relation to either the actual or perceived increase from "the other side". That said, authoritarian right wing nationalism, fascism, is only moving towards the mainstream on the american right. The american left is lukewarm-to-traitorous in their commitment to authoritarian left wing socialism. Buncha fuckin part time commies.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:28 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 7:21 pm)Tiberius Wrote: That's what the term means in my culture.
Unless you belong to the Alt White Snowflake tribe..I doubt it.
It's interesting that the snowflake term originated from convervatives/alt right--or whatever--but now the left is trying to steal it. I think it's because the left realized they're snowflakes. It's kind of like a closeted gay person using gay as an insult.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:32 pm
Is that why you think that's happening? I think people are probably mocking them. I guess it's 50-50 either way. 
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:37 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 7:28 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Unless you belong to the Alt White Snowflake tribe..I doubt it.
It's interesting that the snowflake term originated from convervatives/alt right--or whatever--but now the left is trying to steal it. I think it's because the left realized they're snowflakes. It's kind of like a closeted gay person using gay as an insult.
I think it's because the alt-right reveal themselves as snowflakes whenever they don't get their way.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:43 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 7:37 pm)Tiberius Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 7:28 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: It's interesting that the snowflake term originated from convervatives/alt right--or whatever--but now the left is trying to steal it. I think it's because the left realized they're snowflakes. It's kind of like a closeted gay person using gay as an insult.
I think it's because the alt-right reveal themselves as snowflakes whenever they don't get their way.
About what? Like having opposing points of view speak at a university?
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:51 pm
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(June 28, 2017 at 5:56 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Wait what? You've said that if someone has a dream catcher for decoration that's cultural appropriation, but someone buying a statue of Jesus for decoration is fine? Hypocrite much? I don't disagree with you necessarily about someone having a dream catcher, but I can definitely see a difference. Nobody is trying to oppress (or at least really has the power to oppress) the Catholic population. The native culture is hanging on by a thread.
(June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I really wish you''d stop misusing the word fascism. It dilutes the brand.
Sure, authoritarianism is increasing on both sides, probably in relation to either the actual or perceived increase from "the other side". That said, authoritarian right wing nationalism, fascism, is only moving towards the mainstream on the american right. The american left is lukewarm-to-traitorous in their commitment to authoritarian left wing socialism. Buncha fuckin part time commies.
In the literal sense, I probably am misusing it.
But I'm trying to draw an analogy-- I think the left has stopped being a description of people with certain values, and become a nation of people who display certain membership tokens: fashions, catch words, and the smugness of knowing they are "right" without ever expecting to form a rational defense of their views. That's the analogy I'm trying to draw, and explicitly so.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
June 28, 2017 at 7:56 pm
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(June 28, 2017 at 7:51 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 5:56 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Wait what? You've said that if someone has a dream catcher for decoration that's cultural appropriation, but someone buying a statue of Jesus for decoration is fine? Hypocrite much? I don't disagree with you necessarily about someone having a dream catcher, but I can definitely see a difference. Nobody is trying to oppress (or at least really has the power to oppress) the Catholic population. The native culture is hanging on by a thread.
There's a danger in assuming that nobody is gunning for Christians because when people do discriminate against Christians, people laugh at or don't believe it. It's the same thing with whites, especially white men, especially white straight men. People can say and do whatever they want towards white straight men because many people assume they are given everything and on top of everyone. Women can be sexist towards men and blacks can be racist towards whites and nobody cares.
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