"Cultural Appropriation"

[bennyboy]

Get off your high horse and take a look in the fucking mirror. You may want to be good, but that doesn't mean you are good. You're a terrible person for the casual accusations you make and vilification you engage in. You're not bigoted only against bigots, you're also bigoted against decent people who happen not to agree with you.

I think you're spinning the rhetoric up to full fervor, here. We are all playing a pretty good game of bigot-hot-potato right now, and the next stage of that process is to feign outrage, then possibly to claim victim-hood.

I'm not saying you personally are doing that, but that seems to be how these things go. 1) logic; 2) using demonizing terms; 3) emotional escalation; 4) claim of victim-hood; 5) outraged counter-claim of victim-hood or ad hominem; 6) meme images

That we are past page 20 and still only hovering between stage 3 and 4 is a credit to everyone in this thread, methinks. Of course, there's always Schrodinger's Nazi cat (You don't know when it's going to claim "Nazi" until you pull up the lid).

[The Grand Nudger]

Tell you my strategy.

Use 1 to establish the accuracy of 2, Encourage 3 in order to harvest 4 - skip 5 because lolwhocares...and hopefully, eventually, work a pepe in somewhere.  I never quite get to 6.  It always dies off before someone goes full alt white.

I'm just searching for -my- sincere and frank KKK buddy, Benny. Obviously I have suitors, but I;m super picky about it. I want to make sure that our bigoty bloodlines are both equally bigoted pure before we have forum thought-babies.



heres what I don;t understand, though. -Why- are we playing a game of bigoted hot potato? There's no need to. Cultural appropriation is only a hot potato for appropriators and their apologists. No one is saying, by acknowledging that cultural appropriation happened and sucked, that you or I are bigots. It's so out of left field.

[paulpablo]

Or led Zeppelin stealing song ideas off black blues artists,

"Oh, he just stole from me. But I steal from everybody!" -Woody Guthrie

Musicians steal from musicians all the time, ESPECIALLY in folk and blues. I wouldn't even call it wrong.

If you look at the extent that Led Zeppelin stole from earlier blues musicians without crediting them in my opinion it is definitely wrong.

It wasn't even just riffs sometimes it was entire lyrics, and without crediting them.  

When it's using a similar riff or chord progression I think it's understandable.  But there's entire youtube videos detailing a LOT of their songs directly ripping off so so many earlier blues songs.

I don't think they should be crucified for it, I personally think as I said before that they did a better job of the songs than the people they ripped off. But it would't have killed them to give credit where it's due.

[Shell B]

Shell B and I were both going at it, and Khemical as well, and somehow the playing field has flipped at least once, and almost twice.  

Don't get too excited. I've only agreed that the far left has fascist elements.

[The Grand Nudger]

The "fascist" elements of the far left being what?  Some looneytune?  That's an almost inexplicable failure to deliver on the premise, imo.

[Shell B]

Yeah, I'm not getting roped back into your circus, Khem.

[The Grand Nudger]

My circus?  It's you and Benny that propose and agree that there are "fascist elements" of the american left.  

I just want to see the elephant.  Is that too much to ask? I mean, I did already give an example of "leftist fascism".... Germany's holocaust denial laws. Examples of -actual- fascism in america are easy to find, and not even limited looneytunes and internet cranks. They're in the statehouse, they're just not leftists.

[Shell B]

You're too busy moving the goalposts to ever accept that you were given an example. Again, and for the last fucking time, I never said the left was fascist. I said there are fascists on the left as well as the right. Even one measly instance of that would be enough to back up my statement. For some reason, you seem to think I need to prove the statehouse is full of Dem fascists, which isn't what I fucking said.

Yes, Khem, this is your circus. From the first page, it was agreed that cultural appropriation meant the using of objects, ideas, etc. from other cultures. You know, the professional (read: not psycho SJW) definition of the term. Everyone was happy to argue whether that was okay. Then you burst in like Kool-Aid man insisting that everyone who thinks cultural appropriation is okay thinks raping and pillaging is okay. If they deny that is cultural appropriation, then they are denying that said raping and pillaging ever happened. If it won't be enough for you to realize that people are using a different fucking definition, one I would argue has a lot more validity than yours (that's beside the point), then no one will ever get anywhere with you in this thread. You make it futile on purpose. People can either say what you want them to say or they will forever be the idiots, even though you know damn well they are using a widely accepted definition for the term, not your alternative version. You've agreed that wearing, cooking, enjoying things from other cultures is fine. Well, cultural appropriation by our terms is fine. Everyone else has agreed that crimes against humanity are bad, so your definition is bad. End thread.

I'm ashamed of myself for engaging you again. I'm going to go take a shower.

[The Grand Nudger]

You're too busy moving the goalposts to ever accept that you were given an example. Again, and for the last fucking time, I never said the left was fascist. I said there are fascists on the left as well as the right. Even one measly instance of that would be enough to back up my statement. For some reason, you seem to think I need to prove the statehouse is full of Dem fascists, which isn't what I fucking said.

I'm just suggesting places where you might find some actual fascism.  I find a looneytune an unconvincing indicator.

Yes, Khem, this is your circus. From the first page, it was agreed that cultural appropriation meant the using of objects, ideas, etc. from other cultures. You know, the professional (read: not psycho SJW) definition of the term.

If you want to talk about the first page....it was benny getting tired of the sjws...it was always about what -they- were talking about.  I've spent the entire thread trying to explain to people..that what -they- are talking about..is -not- what those sjws are referring to -and- a significant amount of time opining on all of the ways that psycho sjws misapply the term even by that referent.  That what those sjws are referring to is distinct from learning spanish, and it's distinct from just adopting the elements of another culture...that this is not a full description of what -they- are referring to. 

Everyone was happy to argue whether that was okay. Then you burst in like Kool-Aid man insisting that everyone who thinks cultural appropriation is okay thinks raping and pillaging is okay.

Because anyone who insists that what the sjws are referring to as cultural appropriation is okay -is- okay with raping and pillaging.  Mostly, because they're talking about cultural transfer that happens directly as and in the process of raping and fucking pillaging..shell...not learning spanish.

If they deny that is cultural appropriation, then they are denying that said raping and pillaging ever happened.

There's no denying that it -is- cultural appropriation - not even by your definition.  That a culture is, in those examples, adopting elements of another culture.

If it won't be enough for you to realize that people are using a different fucking definition, one I would argue has a lot more validity than yours (that's beside the point), then no one will ever get anywhere with you in this thread. You make it futile on purpose. People can either say what you want them to say or they will forever be the idiots, even though you know damn well they are using a widely accepted definition for the term, not your alternative version. You've agreed that wearing, cooking, enjoying things from other cultures is fine. Well, cultural appropriation by our terms is fine. Everyone else has agreed that crimes against humanity are bad, so your definition is bad. End thread.

End of your rant.  You mean.  Pages...and pages ago -as in pages before I did it again for your benefit, I'd already linked the definition (since it was obvious how people ended up missing it)...to show the people tired of psycho sjws, what -they- were referring to.  Denying that this subset of activities, distinct from the others, happened... is idiotic.  It did.  Saying that it wasn't uniformly shitty for every culture that it happened to, that it wasn't a bad thing, is pointless.  It was.  Claiming that it is not cultural appropriation is fundamentally silly...since the critics only isolate a subset of what others call cultural appropriation, and say this.."this is the shitty stuff".  This stuff is distinct from acculturation, assimilation, or cultural exchange.  This is what they are referring to...and this..if you'll recall...has always been the subject of the thread.  Since that page one you mentioned.  This is what I am discussing, this is what I've been discussing..since my first post.  

No, everyone hasn't agreed to that,..are you even reading this thread?  Some can't agree that it happened...and others think it was a good thing...some think both simultaneously.  Cultural appropriation by your terms is only okay, because it excludes the shitty cultural appropriation, apparently..but cultural appropriation itself, does not.

I'm ashamed of myself for engaging you again. I'm going to go take a shower.

You're ashamed of yourself for the wrong reason.  You refuse to engage with me, you refuse to engage with the subject.  You refuse to address what those critics are referring to. You want to talk about something else. Well, take a number, so do the usual suspects. 

"Hur dur psycho sjws", seems to suffice..why not, it's a fucking hobby of late....but I'm not a psycho sjw, and it's not the psycho sjws that came up with the term cultural appropriation, or suggested that a specific subset was more accurately called cultural appropriation than the others in the group, and that this was due to a decidedly shitty set of factors not necessarily present in those others. You know what though, go right ahead, let the psycho sjws and their alt-white snowflake counterparts and their collective misuses of a term on the internet make -you- sound like an idiot.

Your call.

[Shell B]

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