A.S.K. your way to proof.

[Paleophyte]

These inconceivable absurdities revolt weak and rash minds, as well as wise and resolute minds. They say: "Our masters paint God to us as the most insensate and the most barbarous of all beings; therefore there is no God; but they should say: therefore our masters attribute to God their absurdities and their furies, therefore God is the contrary of what they proclaim, therefore God is as wise and as good as they make him out mad and wicked. It is thus that wise men account for things. But if a bigot hears them, he denounces them to a magistrate who is a watchdog of the priests; and this watchdog has them burned over a slow fire, in the belief that he is avenging and imitating the divine majesty he outrages.

Remember dont be a dumb ass and bring up some 3rd person wiki commentary. These are voltare's own words and trump anything you have to say, or anything any expert has to say. now keep in mind this is the 2nd or 3rd quote i have provided that has him admit/demonstrate his atheism.

Reading comprehension: 0/10
Grasshopper misses the bit where Voltaire is discussing what atheists believe rather than what he believes. The quotes should have been a give-away.

Honesty: 0/10
Grasshopper is clearly misrepresenting his primary source material. Good thing he didn't quit his day job!

Unintentional Irony:  12/10
Grasshopper clearly missed how Voltaire is arguing against atheism in this quote.

Remember don't be a dumb ass and misrepresent your primary source. These are Voltaire's (Seriously? You still can't spell his name correctly? Turn on spell-check FFS!) own words and trump anything you have to say, or any half-assed interpretation of yours. Now keep in mind this is the 2nd or 3rd quote you have provided that has him admit/demonstrate his deism.

[The Architect Of Fate]

These inconceivable absurdities revolt weak and rash minds, as well as wise and resolute minds. They say: "Our masters paint God to us as the most insensate and the most barbarous of all beings; therefore there is no God; but they should say: therefore our masters attribute to God their absurdities and their furies, therefore God is the contrary of what they proclaim, therefore God is as wise and as good as they make him out mad and wicked. It is thus that wise men account for things. But if a bigot hears them, he denounces them to a magistrate who is a watchdog of the priests; and this watchdog has them burned over a slow fire, in the belief that he is avenging and imitating the divine majesty he outrages.

Remember dont be a dumb ass and bring up some 3rd person wiki commentary. These are voltare's own words and trump anything you have to say, or anything any expert has to say. now keep in mind this is the 2nd or 3rd quote i have provided that has him admit/demonstrate his atheism.

Accept nothing here shows his atheism 

The part your empathizing is clearly him quoting an atheist position not his own .

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These inconceivable absurdities revolt weak and rash minds, as well as wise and resolute minds. They say: "Our masters paint God to us as the most insensate and the most barbarous of all beings; therefore there is no God; but they should say: therefore our masters attribute to God their absurdities and their furies, therefore God is the contrary of what they proclaim, therefore God is as wise and as good as they make him out mad and wicked. It is thus that wise men account for things. But if a bigot hears them, he denounces them to a magistrate who is a watchdog of the priests; and this watchdog has them burned over a slow fire, in the belief that he is avenging and imitating the divine majesty he outrages.

Remember dont be a dumb ass and bring up some 3rd person wiki commentary. These are voltare's own words and trump anything you have to say, or anything any expert has to say. now keep in mind this is the 2nd or 3rd quote i have provided that has him admit/demonstrate his atheism.

Reading comprehension: 0/10
Grasshopper misses the bit where Voltaire is discussing what atheists believe rather than what he believes. The quotes should have been a give-away.

Honesty: 0/10
Grasshopper is clearly misrepresenting his primary source material. Good thing he didn't quit his day job!

Unintentional Irony:  12/10
Grasshopper clearly missed how Voltaire is arguing against atheism in this quote.

Remember don't be a dumb ass and misrepresent your primary source. These are Voltaire's (Seriously? You still can't spell his name correctly? Turn on spell-check FFS!) own words and trump anything you have to say, or any half-assed interpretation of yours. Now keep in mind this is the 2nd or 3rd quote you have provided that has him admit/demonstrate his deism.

Remember Dirch's personnel interpretation of a quote trumps everyone else's because he's the only person who understands voltaire hated god and just wanted to have buttsex .

[Paleophyte]

Remember Dirch's personnel interpretation of a quote trumps everyone else's because he's the only person who understands voltaire hated god and just wanted to have buttsex.

It's hilarious that he's so fixated on Voltaire. Almost as if he's self-trolling. Whence Democritus and Epicurus? Spinoza, Hume, and Kant? Bertrand Russell?

[Bucky Ball]

Voltaire wrote that if god did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
https://vexingquestions.wordpress.com/20...existence/

Voltaire was not an atheist ... he was a deist, and there are many many references to that position.
https://www.academia.edu/8856361/Voltair...ion_of_god

As usual, Dripshit has no clue, nor education in, anything he says.

Was Voltaire an atheist ?
"No. Throughout his life he believed that the universe shows indications of having been designed by a supreme intelligence (he uses the ‘watchmaker’ argument). In his early Philosophical Letters, he asserted this position as an alternative to Pascal’s Christianity. (The belief in a supreme being, combined with rejection of any established religion, is generally called deism, a term already current in Voltaire’s time). But his religious views reflect his scepticism as to the scope of human knowledge: we can know that there is a God, but we can’t know very much about him. In his later writings, such as the story ‘Histoire de Jenni’ (‘The Story of Jenni’) his target is more commonly atheists such as Diderot and d’Holbach: he thought atheism was a danger to morality. " https://www.quora.com/Was-Voltaire-an-atheist

"He was not an atheist, in part because he thought that some minimal belief in a deity was useful for social cohesion. Voltaire’s God created the world, instilled in us a sense of good and evil, and then basically took a back seat. This is rational religion – known in the eighteenth century under the name of natural religion or deism – and it has no truck with metaphysics of any kind. Voltaire was a man of reason who loathed fanaticism, idolatry, superstition. That men can kill each other to defend some bit of religious doctrine which they scarcely understand is something he found repellent. And he reserved his greatest hatred for the clerics who exploited the credulity of believers to maintain their own power base. Voltaire wanted religion without the Church."
https://www.theschooloflife.com/thebookoflife/voltaire/

Maybe Drippy should stick to trying to tell us what a pericope is. Oh wait. Maybe not.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Remember Dirch's personnel interpretation of a quote trumps everyone else's because he's the only person who understands voltaire hated god and just wanted to have buttsex.

It's hilarious that he's so fixated on Voltaire. Almost as if he's self-trolling. Whence Democritus and Epicurus? Spinoza, Hume, and Kant? Bertrand Russell?

Most of them didn't theist fee fees .Also likely why they fap to the idea of his house being used to house bibles.It's pure pettiness .

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Voltaire wrote that if god did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
https://vexingquestions.wordpress.com/20...existence/

Voltaire was not an atheist ... he was a deist, and there are many many references to that position.
https://www.academia.edu/8856361/Voltair...ion_of_god

As usual, Dripshit has no clue, nor education in, anything he says.

Was Voltaire an atheist ?
"No. Throughout his life he believed that the universe shows indications of having been designed by a supreme intelligence (he uses the ‘watchmaker’ argument). In his early Philosophical Letters, he asserted this position as an alternative to Pascal’s Christianity. (The belief in a supreme being, combined with rejection of any established religion, is generally called deism, a term already current in Voltaire’s time). But his religious views reflect his scepticism as to the scope of human knowledge: we can know that there is a God, but we can’t know very much about him. In his later writings, such as the story ‘Histoire de Jenni’ (‘The Story of Jenni’) his target is more commonly atheists such as Diderot and d’Holbach: he thought atheism was a danger to morality. " https://www.quora.com/Was-Voltaire-an-atheist

"He was not an atheist, in part because he thought that some minimal belief in a deity was useful for social cohesion. Voltaire’s God created the world, instilled in us a sense of good and evil, and then basically took a back seat. This is rational religion – known in the eighteenth century under the name of natural religion or deism – and it has no truck with metaphysics of any kind. Voltaire was a man of reason who loathed fanaticism, idolatry, superstition. That men can kill each other to defend some bit of religious doctrine which they scarcely understand is something he found repellent. And he reserved his greatest hatred for the clerics who exploited the credulity of believers to maintain their own power base. Voltaire wanted religion without the Church."
https://www.theschooloflife.com/thebookoflife/voltaire/

Maybe Drippy should stick to trying to tell us what a pericope is. Oh wait. Maybe not.

But those are those evil atheist commentators who just want to make Voltaire look good .Only Dirch has right interpretations of Voltaire

[Jehanne]

Have you read the Council of Constance:

Council of Constance

in particular, #2, which states:


Do you regard Arianism as being a form of "orthodox" Christianity?

All heretics refuse to accept the authority as constituted by wider communities. 
I could care less about all the various little heresies THAT DIED OUT. 
Were these heresies incorporated into church doctrine ? No. 
You seem to be unable to see the forest for the trees. 
The fact is, the Nicaean Creed is still the same and still recited by most Christians.

You've actually made my point for me.
Of course there were heresies. That in no way means the church in general accepted them.
The fact that there were all kinds of heresies that arose, but were rejected, as not comporting with what the church's
doctrines, demonstrates that there WAS a body of belief they felt was not in agreement with the core beliefs.
Heresies are no threat to orthodoxy if they are rejected.
If you have examples of heresies that were ACCEPTED by the main bodies of the churches, let's see them.

Arianism was an orthodox view that simply could not compete with Triantarism. Once again. was Arianism a heresy? (Answer: No, Aranism became a heresy, largely, because of the Emperor Constantine's instistance of religious unity within his empire so as to foster political unity.) But, even after the Nicene Creed became "official", why did Arianism persist within Christendom? You might want to read the Nicene Creed, and, in particular, the Creed's statement of Jesus' Parousia and Christendom's reinterpretation of that so-called "dogma".

[Bucky Ball]

All heretics refuse to accept the authority as constituted by wider communities. 
I could care less about all the various little heresies THAT DIED OUT. 
Were these heresies incorporated into church doctrine ? No. 
You seem to be unable to see the forest for the trees. 
The fact is, the Nicaean Creed is still the same and still recited by most Christians.

You've actually made my point for me.
Of course there were heresies. That in no way means the church in general accepted them.
The fact that there were all kinds of heresies that arose, but were rejected, as not comporting with what the church's
doctrines, demonstrates that there WAS a body of belief they felt was not in agreement with the core beliefs.
Heresies are no threat to orthodoxy if they are rejected.
If you have examples of heresies that were ACCEPTED by the main bodies of the churches, let's see them.

Arianism was an orthodox view that simply could not compete with Triantarism.  Once again. was Arianism a heresy?  (Answer:  No, Aranism became a heresy, largely, because of the Emperor Constantine's instistance of religious unity within his empire so as to foster political unity.)  But, even after the Nicene Creed became "official", why did Arianism persist within Christendom? You might want to read the Nicene Creed, and, in particular, the Creed's statement of Jesus' Parousia and Christendom's reinterpretation of that so-called "dogma".

Arianism was never an "orthodox view". 
Ar·i·an·ism
a heresy denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the Alexandrian priest Arius.
Arianism maintained that the Son of God was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father, nor consubstantial.

The fact that it was labeled a "heresy" MEANS it was outside orthodoxy.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Voltaire wrote that if god did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
https://vexingquestions.wordpress.com/20...existence/

Voltaire was not an atheist ... he was a deist, and there are many many references to that position.
https://www.academia.edu/8856361/Voltair...ion_of_god

As usual, Dripshit has no clue, nor education in, anything he says.

Was Voltaire an atheist ?
"No. Throughout his life he believed that the universe shows indications of having been designed by a supreme intelligence (he uses the ‘watchmaker’ argument). In his early Philosophical Letters, he asserted this position as an alternative to Pascal’s Christianity. (The belief in a supreme being, combined with rejection of any established religion, is generally called deism, a term already current in Voltaire’s time). But his religious views reflect his scepticism as to the scope of human knowledge: we can know that there is a God, but we can’t know very much about him. In his later writings, such as the story ‘Histoire de Jenni’ (‘The Story of Jenni’) his target is more commonly atheists such as Diderot and d’Holbach: he thought atheism was a danger to morality. " https://www.quora.com/Was-Voltaire-an-atheist

"He was not an atheist, in part because he thought that some minimal belief in a deity was useful for social cohesion. Voltaire’s God created the world, instilled in us a sense of good and evil, and then basically took a back seat. This is rational religion – known in the eighteenth century under the name of natural religion or deism – and it has no truck with metaphysics of any kind. Voltaire was a man of reason who loathed fanaticism, idolatry, superstition. That men can kill each other to defend some bit of religious doctrine which they scarcely understand is something he found repellent. And he reserved his greatest hatred for the clerics who exploited the credulity of believers to maintain their own power base. Voltaire wanted religion without the Church."
https://www.theschooloflife.com/thebookoflife/voltaire/

Maybe Drippy should stick to trying to tell us what a pericope is. Oh wait. Maybe not.

Remember this is a man who doesn't know the difference giving an example of a personnel  attack and legitimate anti semitism (said with actual malice towards jews rather then giving an example of malice towards jews )

[Bucky Ball]

All heretics refuse to accept the authority as constituted by wider communities. 
I could care less about all the various little heresies THAT DIED OUT. 
Were these heresies incorporated into church doctrine ? No. 
You seem to be unable to see the forest for the trees. 
The fact is, the Nicaean Creed is still the same and still recited by most Christians.

You've actually made my point for me.
Of course there were heresies. That in no way means the church in general accepted them.
The fact that there were all kinds of heresies that arose, but were rejected, as not comporting with what the church's
doctrines, demonstrates that there WAS a body of belief they felt was not in agreement with the core beliefs.
Heresies are no threat to orthodoxy if they are rejected.
If you have examples of heresies that were ACCEPTED by the main bodies of the churches, let's see them.

Arianism was an orthodox view that simply could not compete with Triantarism.  Once again. was Arianism a heresy?  (Answer:  No, Aranism became a heresy, largely, because of the Emperor Constantine's instistance of religious unity within his empire so as to foster political unity.)  But, even after the Nicene Creed became "official", why did Arianism persist within Christendom? You might want to read the Nicene Creed, and, in particular, the Creed's statement of Jesus' Parousia and Christendom's reinterpretation of that so-called "dogma".

What the hell is Triantarism ?

So .... first you say there was no orthodoxy, and now you're saying Arianism was "an orthodox view".
Alrighty then.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Arianism was an orthodox view that simply could not compete with Triantarism.  Once again. was Arianism a heresy?  (Answer:  No, Aranism became a heresy, largely, because of the Emperor Constantine's instistance of religious unity within his empire so as to foster political unity.)  But, even after the Nicene Creed became "official", why did Arianism persist within Christendom? You might want to read the Nicene Creed, and, in particular, the Creed's statement of Jesus' Parousia and Christendom's reinterpretation of that so-called "dogma".

What the hell is Triantarism ?

So .... first you say there was no orthodoxy, and now you're saying Arianism was "an orthodox view".
Alrighty then.

I think he meant Trinitarianism and i think he means there was no single orthodoxy but many parallel ones among different groups