A.S.K. your way to proof.

[The Architect Of Fate]

sorry sport i studied this guy. he was mockingly a deist because he did not have the balls to wear the social stigma that came with being labeled an atheist back then. one could be ban from shops public services like police protection and even having been accused of dark magic. deism was the safest thing this guy could align himself with ans still carry out his attacks on god and the church as his 'nod to god' came in the way of a naturalism where he assigned the title to fit the engine that ran the natural world. IE god to him was not a deity but more of a source of power or energy. Plus on his death bed he refused God stating he at this point would not want to make any more enemies.

None of this proves he didn't believe in god and if that quote is to be believed or taken literally that it  actually undermines your point so i question your supposed study of him .As for the quote it's questionable 

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/08/13/no-enemies/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire#Death_and_burial

https://www.thoughtco.com/biography-of-voltaire-4691229

being apposed to God does. most of you are not atheist by definition either you all share more with voltare than you will ever admit in that you hate God, not that you do not believe in him. people who do not believe do not waist their time arguing for years over their same points. this is hatred that fuels this passion.
Whatever you want to call voltare he is the father of the movement now known as atheism.

Voltaire never said he was opposed to god and hell even if he did that would make him theist not an atheist .Nope because i would first have to accept it exists which Voltaire clearly did .People who do not believe do when faced with a world that does and they repeat it because the point is clearly not getting through and this neither requires hate and only a passion for reason . And you still have not proven Voltaire was an atheist in fact you seem hell bent on showing the opposite and there is no atheist movement .

obb. that is not the proper 1763 quote.
The following is the proper quote:
It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother? The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and creatures of the same God?
But these people despise us; they treat us as idolaters! Very well! I will tell them that they are grievously wrong. It seems to me that I would at least astonish the proud, dogmatic Islam imam or Buddhist priest, if I spoke to them as follows:
"This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be eternally damned."
They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which would be very difficult.

The dude is making fun of Buddhist and Muslims. As everything i just quoted is his version of a over simplifies summary of what he thinks they believe, and when he serves it to them in this way, he mocks their preceived response. 
This is what you 'good people' do all the time.

Yup him mocking organized religion this neither refutes my point or shows his atheism .I

I do not need a commentator to think for me. i have spent time in the study of voltare which is why i can run through you guys like water through single ply toilet paper. I understand your foundations even if you do not.

No your dunning kruger guides you (you can't even spell his name right )

Disputed 

here sport.. this is a map from town town genva to the actual house:


here is the recorded history of the house:


here is a link to the bible society so you can scheduled a tour and buy a bible at their gift shop.


doesn't seem disputed to me, unless you mean to say it is shut down at this moment due to covid-19

Yes disputed 

1.Your first link doesn't back up your point all it confirms the house exists a claim i never denied 


2. Your second one actually has a serious issue as it never actually says the Geneva Bible Society ever used the building though it does support the idea it was temporarily used as a Bibe storage by the Evangelical Society of Geneva but only for a few months as one of the links on wikipedia shows .

3.The third is kind of bizarre as it contradicts the second and again it nowhere shows their housed in the museum 

4. Oh and speaking of bad links 
https://www.scribd.com/document/33127426...le-society
Umm this contradicts your statement did you just read the first paragraph? 

Overall it doesn't really matter if Christians  get some petty kick out of his so be it .Though i never find myself happy when a church is converted into a pub .Guess i'm not that petty .

that looks like a sore butt lie.

A butthurt lie by someone who has every reason to promote it ?

You got turn by turn direction from google maps from down town to the house, you got the history of the house from wiki and you got the website to where you can tour the house and visit the bible center headquarters and even buy a bible.

Accept non of this actually backs your point and in fact contradicts it 

All you link proves is if you wish to bury you head in the sand the internet will allow you to borrow a shovel

Ironically one could argue the opposite

[Jehanne]

"the word being the very word of John 1:1/Jesus"

To give some meaning to this thread, let's focus on this one:

The Seminar treats the canonical gospels as historical sources that represent Jesus' actual words and deeds as well as elaborations of the early Christian community and of the gospel authors. The Fellows placed the burden of proof on those who advocate any passage's historicity. Unconcerned with canonical boundaries, they asserted that the Gospel of Thomas may have more authentic material than the Gospel of John.[8]

Wikipedia -- The Jesus Seminar

Do you agree with the above conclusion?  If not, why not?

[Mister Agenda]

There's a big difference between 'noted' and 'king'. Atheism isn't a movement (notwithstanding Conservapedia), although atheists can be part of a movement. There are a lot of atheists in the Skeptical Movement if that's what you're thinking of.

Voltaire not an atheist, noted or otherwise, he was a deist, I think of more note would be Lucilio Vanini, freethinking pantheist executed in 1619 for his supposed atheism by having his tongue cut out and strangling, followed by burning his body. Atheists are more likely to quote Epicurus (341-270 BC), paraphrasing his famous trilemma, than Voltaire.

And you didn't address where you pulled your estimate of 3.5% of the world's population being atheist in the 1700s. I don't know how anyone would have arrived at that number, and it sounds way too high. Are you sure it wasn't just France?

His house being used to store Bibles is typical low-class petty vengeance on the part of the Christians involved. Today it is a museum.

So there is that says you are pulling info on voltare out of you bum...

Voltaire expressed his contempt towards organized religion and its disregard for human suffering in his famous satirical novel, Candide.  He targeted Leibnitz’s teaching that  “all is for the best” by creating characters that fall into miserable situations and face both internal and external strife by attempting to fit it into the church’s world view.[1] The only place free from Voltaire’s critiques was a made up New World town known as El Dorado where the only religion is an appreciation for life and nature.[2] El Dorado represented Voltaire’s perfect society  and provided insight into how he would have preferred society in Europe to be structured. Even though efforts to reform the Church were brought forward through Calvinism and the Council of Trent, Voltaire shows disdain for the major principles of organized religion in the 18th century. Although, like the Council of Trent, John Calvin’s beliefs carried the principle that all is for the best, which did align with Voltaire’s criticisms by pointing out that the Church should serve society rather than hold themselves in a dignified higher place and criticized the strict adherence to sacraments and Christian ritual.
https://www.armstrong.edu/history-journa...in-candide

and this quote:
The influential figure of Voltaire, spread deistic notions of to a wide audience. "After the French Revolution and its outbursts of atheism, Voltaire was widely condemned as one of the causes", wrote Blainey, "Nonetheless, his writings did concede that fear of God was an essential policeman in a disorderly world: 'If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him', wrote Voltaire".[64] Voltaire wrote this in response to Treatise of the Three Impostors, a document (most likely) authored by John Toland that denied all three Abrahamic religions.[65]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

my number of 3.5 % is based off the number of people who lived 100 years approx after voltare's death he died 1778 so in 1878 there were approx 1.6 billion people on the planet 3.2 million were non religious 3.1 agnostic 225,000 are God haters. that's 7.5 million out of 1.6 billion is about 3.5% if you also take out the unevanglized/people who never heard of God which was estimated to be 53% or 880,000,000 back then. which leaves us with 720,000,000 and you guys with 7.5 million. which is honestly 1.5% (i honestly did the math guesstimate based on christian to atheist not world population forgive me for rushing you answer out.)

https://www.gordonconwell.edu/center-for...y-2020.pdf


 

again voltare was an atheist his own quotes and stance against the church proove that see some of the other quotes i posted.

2 there is an atheist movement educate your self fool before you speak. there is even a national convention every year:
https://www.conservapedia.com/Atheist_movement

3 it is a museum but it is also the head quarters of the Geneva bible society world head quarters.
https://www.scribd.com/document/33127426...le-society

You can have contempt for organized religion without being an atheist, Drich. The definition of atheist is not 'someone who has contempt for religion'.

That Voltaire's house was ever the headquarters of the Geneva Bible Society is a myth if not a 'pious fraud'.

Your source says 226,000 were atheists in 1900. Out of 1.6 billion that would be 0.14%. The definition of atheist is not 'someone who is not religious'.

And he goes straight to Conservapedia for his claim that there is an Atheist Movement. I should get a prize for predicting that. The convention is American Atheists, an organization founded by Madelyn Murray O'Hair in 1963. It has a membership of about 3,500; out of at least a million atheists in America (probably more like 25 million but I'd rather err on the conservative side). American Atheists is a club, not a movement.

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sorry sport i studied this guy. he was mockingly a deist because he did not have the balls to wear the social stigma that came with being labeled an atheist back then. one could be ban from shops public services like police protection and even having been accused of dark magic. deism was the safest thing this guy could align himself with ans still carry out his attacks on god and the church as his 'nod to god' came in the way of a naturalism where he assigned the title to fit the engine that ran the natural world. IE god to him was not a deity but more of a source of power or energy. Plus on his death bed he refused God stating he at this point would not want to make any more enemies.s just you playing amature anthopologist

being apposed to God does. most of you are not atheist by definition either you all share more with voltare than you will ever admit in that you hate God, not that you do not believe in him. people who do not believe do not waist their time arguing for years over their same points. this is hatred that fuels this passion.
Whatever you want to call voltare he is the father of the movement now known as atheism.

Like other key Enlightenment thinkers, Voltaire was a deist.[128] He challenged orthodoxy by asking: "What is faith? Is it to believe that which is evident? No. It is perfectly evident to my mind that there exists a necessary, eternal, supreme, and intelligent being. This is no matter of faith, but of reason."[129][130]
In a 1763 essay, Voltaire supported the toleration of other religions and ethnicities: "It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother? The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and creatures of the same God?"[131]
In one of his many denunciations of priests of every religious sect, Voltaire describes them as those who "rise from an incestuous bed, manufacture a hundred versions of God, then eat and drink God, then piss and shit God."[132]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire#Religious_views
globb. that is not the proper 1763 quote.
The following is the proper quote:
It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother? The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and creatures of the same God?
But these people despise us; they treat us as idolaters! Very well! I will tell them that they are grievously wrong. It seems to me that I would at least astonish the proud, dogmatic Islam imam or Buddhist priest, if I spoke to them as follows:
"This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be eternally damned."
They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which would be very difficult.

The dude is making fun of Buddhist and Muslims. As everything i just quoted is his version of a over simplifies summary of what he thinks they believe, and when he serves it to them in this way, he mocks their preceived response. 
This is what you 'good people' do all the time.

 Not siding with them. here is a link to a legit copy of the 1763 tretis:
https://web.archive.org/web/200601070138...taire.html

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/voltaire/#Ske

I do not need a commentator to think for me. i have spent time in the study of voltare which is why i can run through you guys like water through single ply toilet paper. I understand your foundations even if you do not.

3 it is a museum but it is also the head quarters of the Geneva bible society world head quarters.

Disputed 

here sport.. this is a map from town town genva to the actual house:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Geneva,+...d46.207642

here is the recorded history of the house:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_D%C3%A9lices

here is a link to the bible society so you can scheduled a tour and buy a bible at their gift shop.
https://www.bible-society.org/

doesn't seem disputed to me, unless you mean to say it is shut down at this moment due to covid-19

You studied this guy so much that you know what he said was not what he meant, despite scholars and biographers of Voltaire disagreeing with you. Didn't study him as much as you, eh?

From the Wikipedia article you sourced:

In 1760, Voltaire left Les Délices for Ferney in France, and the house was then occupied by the Tronchin family. In the 1830s, when Colonel Henri Tronchin (1794–1865)[2][3] was a lay president of the recently founded Evangelical Society of Geneva,[4][5] Les Délices is reported to have been used as a repository for Bibles.[6] In view of Voltaire's skeptical attitude to Christianity and its Bible, this ironic report continues to be widely circulated and embellished by religious apologists.[7] Contrary to popular belief,[8][9] Les Délices has never been occupied by the current incarnation of the Geneva Bible Society, which was only founded in 1917.[10]

Italics mine.

[Drich]

sorry sport i studied this guy. he was mockingly a deist because he did not have the balls to wear the social stigma that came with being labeled an atheist back then. one could be ban from shops public services like police protection and even having been accused of dark magic. deism was the safest thing this guy could align himself with ans still carry out his attacks on god and the church as his 'nod to god' came in the way of a naturalism where he assigned the title to fit the engine that ran the natural world. IE god to him was not a deity but more of a source of power or energy. Plus on his death bed he refused God stating he at this point would not want to make any more enemies.

None of this proves he didn't believe in god and if that quote is to be believed or taken literally that it  actually undermines your point so i question your supposed study of him .As for the quote it's questionable 

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/08/13/no-enemies/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire#Death_and_burial

https://www.thoughtco.com/biography-of-voltaire-4691229

cute, but this is not how research works. you have tertiary sources trying to topple evidence use from a verified primary source. Primary source in this case being a paper/tretis written by Voltaire himself which directly contradicts things people/fake news says about him. His words correctly and contextually quoted will ALWAYS Trump someone else's thoughts on the man.
your source work is garbage. it is third hand information while i am quoting Voltaire himself.
you can just by your word think it carries enough weight to dismiss a direct quote. it doesn't my post and the quote with the citation stand.

if you want to argue this go write a peer reviewed paper with BS tertiary sourced material and come back to me. because you are effective using an editorial in the enquirer/a tabloid to refute a recorded and well documented statement from the source himself.

being apposed to God does. most of you are not atheist by definition either you all share more with voltare than you will ever admit in that you hate God, not that you do not believe in him. people who do not believe do not waist their time arguing for years over their same points. this is hatred that fuels this passion.
Whatever you want to call voltare he is the father of the movement now known as atheism.

Voltaire never said he was opposed to god and hell even if he did that would make him theist not an atheist .Nope because i would first have to accept it exists which Voltaire clearly did .

if you have ever properly studied the man and read his works and the thing he himself said like the quoted tretis of 1763 his acceptance to 'god' was a farce to allow him to not be ostracized in his community. in the quoted i gave yesterday He himself said that if:
"This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be eternally damned."
They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which would be very difficult.

HE IS MOCKING PEOPLE AND THEIR IDEA OF GOD!

How could he mock them if he believed in any form of God?!?!

Can't you see into his words and meaning or are you too ignorantly stuck in today's dialect to see his intentions?
the blue he appeals to the vastness of space and man's scientific understanding of it all even the religious people could understand this.
then in green he points to how small and insignificant man is.in the red he speaks OF ALL GOD BELIEVING MEN Who claim to represent the one true God.
The dark blue bold is voltare mocking the doctrines of salvation by saying out of the hundred millions of different views it is my colony of ant my religious sect that has God care for us while damning everyone else!
In the black bold underline this is the dig this is the zing this is the stinger. In that religious people are so stupid that they in his analogy would not see themselves as the small little ant who would claim the God of the vast universe would only bless their little hole/colony. that if he told the Theists this they would form a mob that would be difficult to calm down.

If dude was not an atheist why is he using the VERY SAME BS Arguments you yourself have made as an atheist? why does he draw a line between believers in God and mocks them, their doctrine and their understanding of how random life is? why is he speaking for a scientifically enlighten position and not defending his knowledge of God. Answer he was a atheist in deeds but not proclamation. he was a coward this work among several other prove this.

obb. that is not the proper 1763 quote.
The following is the proper quote:
It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother? The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and creatures of the same God?
But these people despise us; they treat us as idolaters! Very well! I will tell them that they are grievously wrong. It seems to me that I would at least astonish the proud, dogmatic Islam imam or Buddhist priest, if I spoke to them as follows:
"This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be eternally damned."
They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which would be very difficult.

The dude is making fun of Buddhist and Muslims. As everything i just quoted is his version of a over simplifies summary of what he thinks they believe, and when he serves it to them in this way, he mocks their preceived response. 
This is what you 'good people' do all the time.

Yup him mocking organized religion this neither refutes my point or shows his atheism .I

as point out above it does. as all religions were included in the quote. if he were apart of any religious movement then he would not defer his knowledge base to the science of the time, rather than doctrine. As then Science was a clown school farce of intellect. that the church was the supreme authority in education knowledge and learning. all major universities Harvard Yale oxford Dartmouth all of them had religious based/filtered curriculum. Voltaire unprecedentedly took scientific fact out of the religiously filtered education system, and for the first time used science to separate himself from God.

Before this science was sponsored by the church and was a study in how god worked. Men like Voltaire are seen as the fathers of modern atheism because they took science from the church and used it to create a divide between the knowledge of science and God. his 1763 tretis is a example of this.

I do not need a commentator to think for me. i have spent time in the study of voltaire which is why i can run through you guys like water through single ply toilet paper. I understand your foundations even if you do not.

No your dunning kruger guides you (you can't even spell his name right )

and your has you ignorantly posting tertiary source material IN VOLUME to try and refute a direct primary source. This would indicate you are not even smart enough to have this conversation let alone be in a position to grade or judge someone else's work. Yet i had the good grace to see past your personal failing and lack of or the inability you have to identify and rank evidence properly. Rather i held you hand and explained to you your failings as a intelligent man.

educate yourself before you speak to me moron:
https://subjectguides.esc.edu/researchsk...al/primary

Disputed 

here sport.. this is a map from town town genva to the actual house:


here is the recorded history of the house:


here is a link to the bible society so you can scheduled a tour and buy a bible at their gift shop.


doesn't seem disputed to me, unless you mean to say it is shut down at this moment due to covid-19

Yes disputed 

citation please


like this:
Several examples of his slanderous words against the Christian faith and the Bible are cited.

In 1764 he wrote, “The Bible. That is what fools have written, what imbeciles commend, what rogues teach and young children are made to learn by heart” (Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary, 1764).   “We are living in the twilight of Christianity” (Philosophical Dictionary). In a 1767 letter to Frederick the Great, King of Prussia, he wrote: “Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd, and bloody religion that has ever infected the world…My one regret in dying is that I cannot aid you in this noble enterprise of extirpating the world of this infamous superstition.”[2] Voltaire ended every letter to friends with “Ecrasez l’infame” (crush the infamy — the Christian religion). In his pamphlet, The Sermon on the Fifty (1762) he attacked viciously the Old Testament, biblical miracles, biblical contradictions, the Jewish religion, the Christian God, the virgin birth and Christ’s death on the cross.  Of the Four Gospels he wrote, “What folly, what misery, what puerile and odious things they contain [and the Bible is filled] with contradictions, follies, and horrors”[3]. Voltaire regarded most of the doctrines of the Christin faith – the Incarnation, the Atonement, the Trinity, Communion – as folly and irrational.[4] And finally, “To invent all those things [in the Bible], the last degree of rascality. To believe them, the extreme of brutal stupidity!”
Many more such quotes could be cited as to Voltaire’s disdain for Christianity, but those will suffice. Voltaire’s writings were so divisive that in 1754 Louis XV banned him from Paris. Relocating in December 1754 to Geneva, Switzerland, he purchased a beautiful chateau called Les Delices (The Delights). He lived there for five years until 1760 when as the result of his antagonistic writings and plays attacking Christianity, he was virtually driven from Geneva by the Calvinist Reformers. To escape the pressure from the Calvinists, Voltaire moved across the border to Ferney, France, where the controversial Frenchmen lived for eighteen years until the end of his life in 1778 at age 83. He continued to write until his hand was stilled in death.

Now the question arises as to the veracity of what some call an “apocryphal story.” While Voltaire’s disdain for the Bible is evident, did he ever make such a prediction and did any Bible Society ever use either of his residences, from where he wrote his blasphemous words against the Bible and the Christianity, as a warehouse to store Bibles? The answer to that question is an emphatic, “YES!”

https://crossexamined.org/voltaires-pred...ification/

[Mister Agenda]

Did Voltaire say the words 'I do not believe God is real'?

He had an altar in his home in Ferney with the dedication Erexit deo Voltaire (Raised for God by Voltaire). And he used the Watchmaker Argument to argue for design.

[Drich]

"the word being the very word of John 1:1/Jesus"

To give some meaning to this thread, let's focus on this one:

The Seminar treats the canonical gospels as historical sources that represent Jesus' actual words and deeds as well as elaborations of the early Christian community and of the gospel authors. The Fellows placed the burden of proof on those who advocate any passage's historicity. Unconcerned with canonical boundaries, they asserted that the Gospel of Thomas may have more authentic material than the Gospel of John.[8]

Wikipedia -- The Jesus Seminar

Do you agree with the above conclusion?  If not, why not?

no. as the gospel of Thomas only first discovered in 1945 as a letter from one church official to another and in marp only mainly mentioning some passages in passing. Then a first century document was found containing sayings of Jesus 1/2 of which were recorded in the NT the other 1/2 were Gnostic in origin as this was a Gnostic text with no contextual back ground or framing. the oldest "complete" copy (remember sayings only which would indicate the gospel itself is incomplete as it does not frame out the importance of who is speaking/it relys on other works that would not have existed) In short the gospel is bunk because the oldest copy was written after the rest of the bible was written and compiled into a singular book. then sometime later (100 year or so) the gospel of thomas supposedly hits the scene but is never used or spoken of till 1945?!?!

is you stuped?

Do you know the other gospels have been known and taught from since the 2nd century and there are many thousands of copies that all share the same consistent narrative.

but here comes the gospel of Thomas and it's 1 copy found in 1945 which again relys on the rest of the bible which supposedly has not been written to identify and frame out who Jesus is and why these 114 quotes were important. 

no thanks/pass.

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Did Voltaire say the words 'I do not believe God is real'?

yes by works thought and deed.
that is all that is needed. we just a man by his fruit. his fruits are his works thoughts and deeds.

[Mister Agenda]

That's about par for your general overestimation of your own mental acuity.

[The Architect Of Fate]

cute, but this is not how research works. you have tertiary sources trying to topple evidence use from a verified primary source. Primary source in this case being a paper/tretis written by Voltaire himself which directly contradicts things people/fake news says about him. His words correctly and contextually quoted will ALWAYS Trump someone else's thoughts on the man.
your source work is garbage. it is third hand information while i am quoting Voltaire himself.
you can just by your word think it carries enough weight to dismiss a direct quote. it doesn't my post and the quote with the citation stand.

if you want to argue this go write a peer reviewed paper with BS tertiary sourced material and come back to me. because you are effective using an editorial in the enquirer/a tabloid to refute a recorded and well documented statement from the source himself.

Oh dear you want to talk about citations .Perhaps you shouldn't brag to loudly on that front because your track record thus far isn't good . For starters you provided no citation for your claim about Voltaire's deathbed quote let alone anything peer reviewed .Nor did you provide any for Voltaire's suppose hidden atheism .I on the other hand provided 3 sources that challenge the story that you provided no refutation for . Jus saying i'm right and your wrong isn't a  refutation 

f you have ever properly studied the man and read his works and the thing he himself said like the quoted tretis of 1763 his acceptance to 'god' was a farce to allow him to not be ostracized in his community. in the quoted i gave yesterday He himself said that if:
"This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be eternally damned."
They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which would be very difficult.

HE IS MOCKING PEOPLE AND THEIR IDEA OF GOD!

How could he mock them if he believed in any form of God?!?!

Can't you see into his words and meaning or are you too ignorantly stuck in today's dialect to see his intentions?
the blue he appeals to the vastness of space and man's scientific understanding of it all even the religious people could understand this.
then in green he points to how small and insignificant man is.in the red he speaks OF ALL GOD BELIEVING MEN Who claim to represent the one true God.
The dark blue bold is voltare mocking the doctrines of salvation by saying out of the hundred millions of different views it is my colony of ant my religious sect that has God care for us while damning everyone else!
In the black bold underline this is the dig this is the zing this is the stinger. In that religious people are so stupid that they in his analogy would not see themselves as the small little ant who would claim the God of the vast universe would only bless their little hole/colony. that if he told the Theists this they would form a mob that would be difficult to calm down.

If dude was not an atheist why is he using the VERY SAME BS Arguments you yourself have made as an atheist? why does he draw a line between believers in God and mocks them, their doctrine and their understanding of how random life is? why is he speaking for a scientifically enlighten position and not defending his knowledge of God. Answer he was a atheist in deeds but not proclamation. he was a coward this work among several other prove this.

None of the quotes you provided prove he was an atheist .His mockery of organized religion and doctrinal conceptions of god does not make him an atheist .Furthermore i see no reason you couldn't believe in a god and mock it so this isn't a point either , And yes both i and Voltaire may use similar methods but from two different position .So i'm afraid you have failed to establish Voltaire's atheism and merely demonstrated his disdain for organized religion and their concepts of god not god itself or his disbelief for that matter .Ultimately your whole case grinds down to"if Voltaire was a theist he would agree with ou doctrines and wouldn't mock them " This doesn't follow.

as point out above it does. as all religions were included in the quote. if he were apart of any religious movement then he would not defer his knowledge base to the science of the time, rather than doctrine. As then Science was a clown school farce of intellect. that the church was the supreme authority in education knowledge and learning. all major universities Harvard Yale oxford Dartmouth all of them had religious based/filtered curriculum. Voltaire unprecedentedly took scientific fact out of the religiously filtered education system, and for the first time used science to separate himself from God.

Before this science was sponsored by the church and was a study in how god worked. Men like Voltaire are seen as the fathers of modern atheism because they took science from the church and used it to create a divide between the knowledge of science and God. his 1763 tretis is a example of this.

This again isn't a case . Because Voltaire wanted to move science and education outside the grasp of he church and didn't want it wedded to theological doctrines and filters does not make him an Atheist( This assumes a theist should desire this ) And again splitting the Church from science does not make him the farther of modern Atheism sorry your case remains unmade .

and your has you ignorantly posting tertiary source material IN VOLUME to try and refute a direct primary source. This would indicate you are not even smart enough to have this conversation let alone be in a position to grade or judge someone else's work. Yet i had the good grace to see past your personal failing and lack of or the inability you have to identify and rank evidence properly. Rather i held you hand and explained to you your failings as a intelligent man.

educate yourself before you speak to me moron:

As for your contined mocking of my sources so far your sources have either 
Worked against your point 
Not actually proved the thing you insist it does 
Contridicts other sources you used 
Or attacked a claim i never made 

And sticks and stones (Lectures me about sources when he himself cited a source that said opposite of what he was claiming because he didn't read past the first paragraph )

citation please


like this:
Several examples of his slanderous words against the Christian faith and the Bible are cited.

In 1764 he wrote, “The Bible. That is what fools have written, what imbeciles commend, what rogues teach and young children are made to learn by heart” (Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary, 1764).   “We are living in the twilight of Christianity” (Philosophical Dictionary). In a 1767 letter to Frederick the Great, King of Prussia, he wrote: “Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd, and bloody religion that has ever infected the world…My one regret in dying is that I cannot aid you in this noble enterprise of extirpating the world of this infamous superstition.”[2] Voltaire ended every letter to friends with “Ecrasez l’infame” (crush the infamy — the Christian religion). In his pamphlet, The Sermon on the Fifty (1762) he attacked viciously the Old Testament, biblical miracles, biblical contradictions, the Jewish religion, the Christian God, the virgin birth and Christ’s death on the cross.  Of the Four Gospels he wrote, “What folly, what misery, what puerile and odious things they contain [and the Bible is filled] with contradictions, follies, and horrors”[3]. Voltaire regarded most of the doctrines of the Christin faith – the Incarnation, the Atonement, the Trinity, Communion – as folly and irrational. And finally, “To invent all those things [in the Bible], the last degree of rascality. To believe them, the extreme of brutal stupidity!”[/url]
Many more such quotes could be cited as to Voltaire’s disdain for Christianity, but those will suffice. Voltaire’s writings were so divisive that in 1754 Louis XV banned him from Paris. Relocating in December 1754 to Geneva, Switzerland, he purchased a beautiful chateau called Les Delices (The Delights). He lived there for five years until 1760 when as the result of his antagonistic writings and plays attacking Christianity, he was virtually driven from Geneva by the Calvinist Reformers. To escape the pressure from the Calvinists, Voltaire moved across the border to Ferney, France, where the controversial Frenchmen lived for eighteen years until the end of his life in 1778 at age 83. He continued to write until his hand was stilled in death.

Now the question arises as to the veracity of what some call an “apocryphal story.” While Voltaire’s disdain for the Bible is evident, did he ever make such a prediction and did any Bible Society ever use either of his residences, from where he wrote his blasphemous words against the Bible and the Christianity, as a warehouse to store Bibles? The answer to that question is an emphatic, “YES!”

[url=https://crossexamined.org/voltaires-prediction-home-and-the-bible-society-truth-or-myth-further-evidence-of-verification/]https://crossexamined.org/voltaires-pred...ification/

And lastly 

So i imagine you have abandoned your four previous poor sources and instead have replace them with an apologetics site that clearly an agenda (interesting you get to appeal to a pro Christian site but when i do it my site is butthurt ). Alrighty you still lose i'm afraid .Firstly i don't remember ever proclaiming he was a Christian and yes i imagine his harsh words for h church got him in a lot of trouble but that doesn't make him an Atheist .Secondly i already conceded that it was used as a bible repository in my last response but pointed out that according to one of he links on the wikipedia article you cited it was temporary .I also point out you made a series of other claims about the house so there is that . As i already said though the Christian obsession with something so petty is sad .


So ultimately 
You failed to prove Voltaire's atheism 
You are a hypocrite on sources 
And i can only assume your either pig headed or dishonest .Anyone i gave you another chance at a conversation .You failed  .Don't respond to me any further i have no more time to waste on you (ignored )

[The Grand Nudger]

Heard we were judging fruits in here.

[Jehanne]

In short the gospel is bunk because the oldest copy was written after the rest of the bible was written and compiled into a singular book. then sometime later (100 year or so) the gospel of thomas supposedly hits the scene but is never used or spoken of till 1945?!?!

is you stuped?

Drich,

This is why I have difficulty continuing to "dialogue" with you (emphasis mine):

Attestation

The earliest surviving written references to the Gospel of Thomas are found in the writings of Hippolytus of Rome (c. 222–235) and Origen of Alexandria (c. 233).[22] Hippolytus wrote in his Refutation of All Heresies 5.7.20:

[The Naassenes] speak...of a nature which is both hidden and revealed at the same time and which they call the thought-for kingdom of heaven which is in a human being. They transmit a tradition concerning this in the Gospel entitled "According to Thomas," which states expressly, "The one who seeks me will find me in children of seven years and older, for there, hidden in the fourteenth aeon, I am revealed."

This appears to be a reference to saying 4 of Thomas, although the wording differs significantly.
Origen listed the "Gospel according to Thomas" as being among the heterodox apocryphal gospels known to him (Hom. in Luc. 1).
In the 4th and 5th centuries, various Church Fathers wrote that the Gospel of Thomas was highly valued by Mani. In the 4th century, Cyril of Jerusalem mentioned a "Gospel of Thomas" twice in his Catechesis: "The Manichæans also wrote a Gospel according to Thomas, which being tinctured with the fragrance of the evangelic title corrupts the souls of the simple sort."[23] and "Let none read the Gospel according to Thomas: for it is the work not of one of the twelve Apostles, but of one of the three wicked disciples of Manes."[24] The 5th-century Decretum Gelasianum includes "A Gospel attributed to Thomas which the Manichaean use" in its list of heretical books.[25]

Wikipedia -- Gospel of Thomas (Attestation)