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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 4:54 pm
(November 23, 2011 at 4:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Given the prevalence of material burial customs throughout our history(and prehistory), it would be difficult to argue that any dividing line between the spiritual and material worlds was truly proposed for anything but the most recent and brief period of time. Their god walked in the garden. He spoke to people, guided the sun, dropped mana from the heavens. No, this god lived right here on terra firma until the faithful realized that no one was buying it. Then that fucker just had to die..lol. The bible is a collection of religious myth, legend, fable, and erotic poetry ffs. If there was ever a factoid buried in the pages it's lost forever. Buried under embellishments and edits.
It "could" be misinterpreted yes/no
Could those saying they are Christian, be not so. yes/no
The writing may not be recognized by history authoritarians, but it was written by someone. It can be their history can't it. yes/no
Could it be JC is blamed for the actions of others not understanding him. yes/no
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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 4:59 pm
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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 5:10 pm
(November 23, 2011 at 4:54 pm)Old Seer Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 4:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Given the prevalence of material burial customs throughout our history(and prehistory), it would be difficult to argue that any dividing line between the spiritual and material worlds was truly proposed for anything but the most recent and brief period of time. Their god walked in the garden. He spoke to people, guided the sun, dropped mana from the heavens. No, this god lived right here on terra firma until the faithful realized that no one was buying it. Then that fucker just had to die..lol. The bible is a collection of religious myth, legend, fable, and erotic poetry ffs. If there was ever a factoid buried in the pages it's lost forever. Buried under embellishments and edits.
It "could" be misinterpreted yes/no
Could those saying they are Christian, be not so. yes/no
The writing may not be recognized by history authoritarians, but it was written by someone. It can be their history can't it. yes/no
Could it be JC is blamed for the actions of others not understanding him. yes/no But there again, you may be relying on a faulty interpretation. There's no reason to accept interpretations as they are---they may be wrong. The Hebrew God was something spiritual in their understandings. That goes back along way. Past spiritual can be no different then present spiritual. They themselves lost the meanings of the book.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 5:13 pm
There again again, y'all (that's "you, plural" for old seer) could be relying on a committee-based set of faulty interpretations.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 7:40 pm
(This post was last modified: November 23, 2011 at 7:42 pm by Old Seer.)
(November 23, 2011 at 5:13 pm)Epimethean Wrote: There again again, y'all (that's "you, plural" for old seer) could be relying on a committee-based set of faulty interpretations. No, in this case you are relying on "their" faulty interpretations to find fault with them. The bible may be about something other then you or they understand. Their interpretation is faulty and we find it so. When studying the entire book we find the snake represents deception. (No negatives intended).
(November 23, 2011 at 4:54 pm)Old Seer Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 4:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Given the prevalence of material burial customs throughout our history(and prehistory), it would be difficult to argue that any dividing line between the spiritual and material worlds was truly proposed for anything but the most recent and brief period of time. Their god walked in the garden. He spoke to people, guided the sun, dropped mana from the heavens. No, this god lived right here on terra firma until the faithful realized that no one was buying it. Then that fucker just had to die..lol. The bible is a collection of religious myth, legend, fable, and erotic poetry ffs. If there was ever a factoid buried in the pages it's lost forever. Buried under embellishments and edits.
It "could" be misinterpreted yes/no
Could those saying they are Christian, be not so. yes/no
The writing may not be recognized by history authoritarians, but it was written by someone. It can be their history can't it. yes/no
Could it be JC is blamed for the actions of others not understanding him. yes/no Yes/no
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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 8:36 pm
What's with all the yes/no?
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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Seer, "y'all" have no extra accuracy or higher level of thought until "all" of you are represented by more than one sock puppet yammering away in the back of the room. Get over the "we have surveyed, collated and assessed" shit. You're one dude playing a different kind of god and it's ridiculous.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 9:30 pm
(November 23, 2011 at 8:39 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Seer, "y'all" have no extra accuracy or higher level of thought until "all" of you are represented by more than one sock puppet yammering away in the back of the room. Get over the "we have surveyed, collated and assessed" shit. You're one dude playing a different kind of god and it's ridiculous.
People people people.
Answer the questions. yes/no
I restate the original question.---Why did God create evil.
That's like asking-why did God create God.
God is all that is good and all that is evil.
Are you capable of doing good and/or evil. Yes/no.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 9:39 pm
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(November 23, 2011 at 2:13 pm)Old Seer Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 1:30 am)IATIA Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 1:11 am)Old Seer Wrote: Ancient peoples didn't have words to describe spiritual things ...
You were doing ... ehh ...OK until I got to "spiritual". This means you believe in fairy tales. Just checking, thanks.
You do have, or are a spiritual- yes/no
You are not the physical, you are the spiritual. There's no such thing as Human material. The physical cannot be human---it is material. yes/no
We are nothing more than biochemical automatons subject to the 'whims' and 'desires' of the physical body. There is no spiritual world. When the body ceases to function, we no longer exist. What planet are you from, if I may be so bold as to ask?
And this whole "alpha guardian" thing, why would a true scientist investigate something that does not exist anywhere but in Bronze-age fairy tales. What makes you think there is any 'spiritual', besides the fictional tales of ancient peoples? What empirical data do you have that requires the support of these fairy tales? There is not, nor has there ever been any empirical data to even start an investigation. Are you investigating the existence of Zeus and Merlin also?
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RE: Why did god create evil?
November 23, 2011 at 10:45 pm
(November 23, 2011 at 9:39 pm)IATIA Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 2:13 pm)Old Seer Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 1:30 am)IATIA Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 1:11 am)Old Seer Wrote: Ancient peoples didn't have words to describe spiritual things ...
You were doing ... ehh ...OK until I got to "spiritual". This means you believe in fairy tales. Just checking, thanks.
You do have, or are a spiritual- yes/no
You are not the physical, you are the spiritual. There's no such thing as Human material. The physical cannot be human---it is material. yes/no
We are nothing more than biochemical automatons subject to the 'whims' and 'desires' of the physical body. There is no spiritual world. When the body ceases to function, we no longer exist. What planet are you from, if I may be so bold as to ask?
And this whole "alpha guardian" thing, why would a true scientist investigate something that does not exist anywhere but in Bronze-age fairy tales. What makes you think there is any 'spiritual', besides the fictional tales of ancient peoples? What empirical data do you have that requires the support of these fairy tales? There is not, nor has there ever been any empirical data to even start an investigation. Are you investigating the existence of Zeus and Merlin also? Those that claim to be Christians forward fairy tales. We are not Christians. We do not agree with most all their interpretations of the book. If there is no spiritual then what is love or hate. Are they material. If they are material please explain.
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