(July 25, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Lek Wrote:(July 25, 2015 at 10:53 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: The VAST majority (91.4%) of abortions are performed before 13 weeks. (link to CDC data) So yes, most are a group of cells. 98.7% of all abortions are performed before a fetus is viable (<21 weeks). So yes, until the point where the fetus could survive outside of the mother, the overwhelming majority of abortions are non viable tissue.
If that is the point when the fetus is a human being, then you might have a point. The problem is we have no scientific proof of when a fetus is a human being. When it comes to human life I prefer to go with the option that takes away any chance of error.
That's because it is not a scientifically verifiable terminus. It is a red herring. There is no "human test." As such it is only an attempt to shift the goalposts. We can only say that 'x weeks' is the point where it is extremely unlikely that a fetus will survive outside of the womb. And even then that number is moved back because of scientific intervention, a la NICUs.
(July 25, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Lek Wrote:So you choose an non-viable fetus' life over the life of the mother. And don't say you sympathize for someone and then attempt to take their lives away. That is some dishonest rug pulling, no less. You clearly do not sympathize with the women. You are merely acknowledging that it sucks, but you know what's best for them.(July 25, 2015 at 10:53 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: You seem to think it's easy to gestate and birth a baby. That it's a non life-threatening, non-serious thing to undergo. And forcing a woman who doesn't want to (for WHATEVER reason) is taking control of her reproductive rights. Don't like abortions? Don't have one. It's easy to say, just have the baby and put it up for adoption! This completely discounts the earthquake that happens to your life because of an unwanted pregnancy. Unpaid maternal leave, postpartum, pregnancy complications, emotional distress in giving up a child, Obstetrical costs, etc.
If a person doesn't wish to go through that, what is it your business to force them to?
Are we not supposed to do the right thing because it causes problems in our lives? The right thing is the right thing. I could make my life a lot better by choosing the immoral path, but I don't because I want to do what is right. I do sympathize with the women involved, but I think it's right to go with human life over inconvenience or financial reasons.
(July 25, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Lek Wrote:(July 25, 2015 at 10:53 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Are you not embarrassed when you just spout whatever you feel without any sort of evidence to back it up? You don't like the idea of abortion, therefore most women who choose that route are using abortion as birth control?
How about this, then: most people who say that sort of thing just hate women and want to control their reproductive rights. Does that contain any sort of truth just because I said it?
I tried to find an unbiased source for the link below as to the reasons women get abortions.
http://www.webmd.com/women/tc/abortion-r...e-abortion
Did you even read your link? No where in that link does it say that women use abortion as a method of birth control. It does say (if you had read past the first line) that women use abortion when their birth control fails. Let's keep in mind your original quote. (I would like to limit the inevitable goalpost moving.)
(July 24, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Lek Wrote: Most abortions are not because the mother can't afford the child anyway, but rather just for convenience - just a form of birth control.
You were talking about primary birth control here---abortion as convenience. Let's make that clear.
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