RE: Has Science done away with a need for God?
July 27, 2015 at 2:08 pm
(This post was last modified: July 27, 2015 at 2:23 pm by Kingpin.)
(July 27, 2015 at 1:44 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Oh hai Irreducible Complexity, I haven't seen you for a while. Have you gotten past the hurdles of 1) Presenting an example of anything in existence that can be explained ONLY by design and 2) Providing a decent answer to the question "who created the creator, the most complex being of them all?" that doesn't rely on a pathetic cop-out to justify? No?
Fuck off then.
I will answer your questions Iroscato.
First we must define what we mean by "design". I can accept this definition: purpose, planning, or intention that exists or is thought to exist behind an action, fact, or material object.
Given this definition I want to ask you a question as well. If I write a letter to you that states "Iroscato is an intelligent person." Can you explain to me the semiotics of those words purely on the basis of the physics and chemistry of the ink and paper? When we see word, language the only explanation is top down not bottom up.
As for the second question. I have also given great thought to this because replacing one mystery with another is not a helpful way forward. If you ask this question it shows immediately that you categorize God as created. So you are talking about a created God. If Richard Dawkins book was entitled, "A Created God's Delusion", I don't think many people would have bought it because I don't need him to tell me that created Gods are a delusion, we usually call them idols. Your question is not valid because it rules out the explanation that is most likely to be true. The question does not even apply to the definition of God, that is eternal supreme being, creator of space, time and all things. The only way you can get anything out of it then in the negative sense is to assume that everything is in the category of being created which leads to positing in infinite series of causes.
You say that "who created God" is a legitimate question, I don't think it is. But let's assume that is. You believe the universe created you, so who created your creator?
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