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Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
(July 26, 2015 at 10:55 pm)Lek Wrote:
(July 26, 2015 at 10:32 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I knew you'd latch on to the last part without addressing the actual meat of the post.

What consequences are there when a woman aborts a <13 week old fetus?

She has stopped a beating heart that has already been beating for 5-7 weeks and terminated a human life.

At that stage, cognitive thought has not occurred. The fetus is alive, but not independent. The heart is beating, but cannot continue to do so outside the mother. Equating that to a human who is independent of its mother is not supportable. There is a nub of a brain, but there is no activity showing thought happening.


(July 29, 2015 at 12:13 am)Lek Wrote: If you think I'm stupid, that's okay.  Equating a fetus with it's own human DNA, a beating heart, arms and legs, and a functioning brain with a tumor makes you look even stupider.   I really think you need to study some science that isn't from the 19th century.

What makes a human a human? Arms? Legs?

... or cognitive thought?

A wart has my DNA. Is it an abortion to extirpate it? Macaque monkeys have arms and legs. Do you protest when they are killed? Roaches have functioning brains, yet I've no doubt you've got a can of Raid under your sink.

Under thirteen weeks, the fetus is incapable of thought, which is, after all, the hallmark of the species labelled "Man, the wise". What differentiates us from other animals is our capacity for thought. If a fetus is not capable of thinking, how on Earth can it be human? It is a potential human, sure. But if you are going to fight for potential personhood, will you outlaw masturbation?

eta: Wait, forget I asked that. Big Grin

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Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by vorlon13 - July 24, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Minimalist - July 24, 2015 at 1:27 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by abaris - July 24, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Longhorn - July 24, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Minimalist - July 24, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by KevinM1 - July 24, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by c172 - July 24, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Whateverist - July 25, 2015 at 12:16 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Regina - July 24, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by brewer - July 24, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Minimalist - July 25, 2015 at 12:22 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Dystopia - July 24, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by KevinM1 - July 24, 2015 at 2:44 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Longhorn - July 24, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 24, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Whateverist - July 25, 2015 at 12:19 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 25, 2015 at 12:25 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by MTL - July 25, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 25, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 25, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 25, 2015 at 4:07 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 25, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 25, 2015 at 5:15 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 25, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by robvalue - July 25, 2015 at 9:30 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by SteelCurtain - July 25, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 25, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 25, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Minimalist - July 25, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 25, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 25, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by vorlon13 - July 26, 2015 at 1:30 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Pyrrho - July 26, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Pyrrho - July 26, 2015 at 8:23 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 9:53 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Cato - July 26, 2015 at 1:26 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by vorlon13 - July 26, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 4:07 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Cato - July 29, 2015 at 1:23 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Losty - July 26, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Losty - July 26, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 26, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 26, 2015 at 10:59 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by vorlon13 - July 26, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Longhorn - July 26, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 26, 2015 at 8:53 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Longhorn - July 26, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 5:59 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by SteelCurtain - July 26, 2015 at 10:07 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Losty - July 26, 2015 at 10:34 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 26, 2015 at 11:03 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 29, 2015 at 12:32 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by SteelCurtain - July 26, 2015 at 10:32 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 26, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 26, 2015 at 11:04 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 28, 2015 at 8:25 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 28, 2015 at 11:45 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 29, 2015 at 12:02 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 29, 2015 at 12:06 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by SteelCurtain - July 26, 2015 at 10:58 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by robvalue - July 27, 2015 at 2:26 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by vorlon13 - July 28, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by SteelCurtain - July 28, 2015 at 11:29 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 28, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 28, 2015 at 11:55 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 28, 2015 at 11:59 pm
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 29, 2015 at 12:13 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 29, 2015 at 12:18 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Lek - July 29, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Thumpalumpacus - July 29, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 29, 2015 at 1:01 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 29, 2015 at 12:04 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by SteelCurtain - July 29, 2015 at 12:06 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by Ravenshire - July 29, 2015 at 12:08 am
RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . . - by vorlon13 - July 29, 2015 at 1:11 pm

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