(July 29, 2015 at 9:20 am)lkingpinl Wrote:(July 28, 2015 at 10:42 am)Crossless1 Wrote: And this is what grates on me when these arguments are put forward -- not merely that nothing is explained by invoking God but that the use of that argument leads to one of two outcomes: either the fake explanation obviates the need for further thought or investigation, or it serves as a springboard from which the believer is free to indulge in any manner of pseudo-philosophical speculation (leading unsurprisingly into their shoehorning their favorite ancient literary character into the role they've dreamed up in their ramblings). Either way, there is a pretense of knowledge that is wholly unearned and unjustified dressed up in the borrowed rags of the likes of William Lane Craig.
I understand where you are coming from, and I too don't like to make the "leap" to God though on here it seems most seem to think I imply that in my responses. I do not KNOW for certainty but I can make certain probable deductions from the evidence. We are miles from the God of the Bible in this question (or any specific God for that matter) but what I am trying to show is that on this evidence I personally feel it leads to a mind behind it all (Deism if you will) and I am not alone in that thinking. I could "argue from authority" here but we all know some of the greatest minds in science and even modern science admit the universe certainly appears designed, to me that leads to a mind behind it. I look at DNA, an enormous database of information with everything in the "correct" order to function and it screams intelligence not mindless unguided processes.
If I present to you a dictionary, with all of its pages containing all of the words we know, with all their definitions and in correct alphabetical order and bound in leather and enscribed on the front "Dictionary" and I tell you that this came about because of an explosion in a printing press, you would think it nonsense. There are far simpler things that we KNOW are created by an intelligence but we can look at the vast complexity of the universe and even more so humans and say time + chance? I don't think I'm the one being delusional to assume there must be a mind behind it.
Junkyard 747. This argument ignores the concept of scaffolding.
