RE: Has Science done away with a need for God?
July 29, 2015 at 6:08 pm
(This post was last modified: July 29, 2015 at 6:25 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(July 29, 2015 at 10:29 am)lkingpinl Wrote:(July 29, 2015 at 10:06 am)Crossless1 Wrote: But saying that we don't know what the conditions were past a certain point is not the same as saying it was a cosmic accident. We are at a point in cosmology beyond which we cannot presently say anything with certainty, and it may well be the case that the conditions we know about time/space in the iteration of the universe we are a part of don't apply to previous states. Our common sense understanding of cause/effect and time/space itself might simply break down at a certain point. "I don't know" is a valid and honest statement in response to the questions "What was there before? What caused it all?" Positing a mind behind the event is an unwarranted leap.
And yes, you are espousing the Christian god. You're just not making that explicit in your argument at this point. Even if we were to grant the soundness of your arguments so far (I don't), the best you could honestly do would be to declare yourself a deist. But you're not a deist; you're a Christian, so at some point this philosophical façade will fall away and we'll be treated in another thread to your cribbed reasons for identifying your philosophical creator god with the Biblical god. But you know as well as I do that you didn't become a Christian by way of philosophical arguments. The philosophy follows the conviction, and you are trying to cobble together a post hoc rationalization for something you already believed for other reasons. This is invariably how it is with apologists.
Crossless, I can grant everything you are saying. No I did not become a Christian because of philosophical arguments though I did tell how I became a Christian in another thread. However, I continue to investigate what I believe because I cannot logically blindly accept without examining evidence. As you mention from my arguments you could posit I was a Deist and you would be right in saying that but once I got to that point, I need to examine further, which Deity? I suppose I could stop at Deism, but simply believing a mind behind it all does not answer life's four big questions of origin, meaning of life, morality and destiny.
I'm on my phone, so please forgive my run of posts, but three of the four questions aren't answered in any way by accepting the god of the Bible. His morality is muddy, his existence doesn't provide meaning, and whatever "destiny" has in store is still inscrutable to every human alive.