(July 29, 2015 at 1:59 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:So thinking gay marriage is wrong, and refusing to facilitate a gay marriage because of your thoughts is not a punishable crime in your imaginary world?(July 29, 2015 at 12:48 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Well, that's what I wrote. You can do a routine murder and just be charged with a routine murder charge. But if you verbalize a level of hatred toward the victim they charge you with murder plus a hate crime, although the verbalization had nothing to do with the victim's death.
Likewise if you get together with someone else and devise a plan for commiting an action they will charge you with conspiracy even though you never acted on the action.
So hate crimes and conspiracy charges are just BS charges intended to add extra punishment when they had no actual harmful effect on the victim, if there was one. It's just an application of what Jesus said in Matthew 5:21-22 and Matthew 5:28.
Humans definitely do not have thought crimes in the same sense that the Bible does. For that brand of thought crime, someone has to literally read your mind, and the thought itself is the primary crime.
With both hate crime and conspiracy, some kind of provable, outward action has to occur. Neither is an actual thought crime, at least not in the sense I'm using the term. No human can punish you for your actual thoughts unless you somehow make them known, and to my knowledge there is no secular law that punishes a thought and nothing else.
I posted a fox news link that says otherwise. That pastors are threatened with jail unless they concent to marrying gay people in certain states.