RE: Does Calvinism make the most sense as far as Christianity Goes?
July 30, 2015 at 4:11 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2015 at 4:14 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(July 30, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Arrogant Christian Wrote:(July 30, 2015 at 12:10 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Theology is not good work, especially when concocting one so odious as his.
Many famous scientists got key things wrong, but their task was and is more noble by far than any theology you care to mention, because they work to learn and then teach men ... not shackle them.
Its funny you mention shackle, since it is actually part of Christian theology to "be freed from the shackles of sin, and be put into the shackles of Christ" (paraphrase), but you'll find that any series of beliefs shackle the mind. I know someone will then respond with something like "better shackled to reality than a foolish myth," but that isn't entirely true. People that I have know to have "blind" faith in science very often responded with things like "that [idea] is impossible" and so on, and only a few years later the impossible happens. One thing I have learned in science is that almost nothing is impossible. Yet fully accepting science held back the minds of these people, since they were presupposed to disbelief.
Well it's a good thing that I didn't make the argument you're rebutting, then. Science is not necessarily liberating, but it is educating.
As for equating science and religion, I'll take your word for it when you can show me a religion that submits its precepts to peer review and objective study; those are the sine qua non of science. That some people attribute to science more capability than it has does not mean that science is worthless, it means that people don't always understand the limits and uses of things.
(July 30, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Arrogant Christian Wrote: Christianity offers no scientific presupposition (excluding the midieval, catholic interpretation of genesis) , therefore it does not limit the scientific mind.
Indeed. It's presuppositions are distinctly nonscientific.
(July 30, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Arrogant Christian Wrote: Calvin worked to learn and teach men, same as others, in arguably what was better "science" at the time, however your mind appears to be shackled in a way that disqualifies you from considering that.
"Arguably", lol. "Science", lol. Theology is not a science. It has no empirical phenomena to study. It has no evidence to consider. Theists cannot even agree on which god(s) exist and which are figments.
As for your ad homeneim attack, I'm going to ask you politely to stop that sort of bullshit. This is the only time I will do so. We've a had a civil conversation so far, but you don't know jack-shit about me, and in that case making uncharitable assumptions is insulting. I make change in the coin tendered. The nature of this conversation is now entirely in your lap.
To answer your point, I actually understand that not only does science have limits, reason does as well. As a creative musician and writer, I'm pretty well in touch with my non-Apollonian side. I know that applying science to something like spirituality is like trying to hammer a pronoun with a fish taco. However, religions make testable claims, and that includes Calvinism. I'm looking forward to you presenting evidence for your beliefs. Until then, I'm skeptical.
Let us hope that puts your insulting assumptions to bed, that we may have a nice discussion.


