RE: Atheism the unscientific believe.
August 3, 2015 at 12:57 pm
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2015 at 1:35 pm by Confused Ape.)
(August 3, 2015 at 10:42 am)Little Rik Wrote: On the abstract realm of consciousness a similar force lead the microcosm or unit mind
to merge in the macrocosm or the ocean of cosmic consciousness.
Nothing really stay the same.
Everything move towards something bigger.
I think people are getting confused because the Ananda Marga definition of consciousness isn't the same thing as neuroscience's definition of consciousness.
I looked up what Ananda Marga says about death and the unit mind and it's very clear than unit minds don't experience anything without bodies because they are dormant and they won't experience anything again until they are reborn into new bodies.
Quote:Nobody ever provided any evidence that the physical death means also the consciousness death.
Now to consciousness.
God
Quote:They say “God was alone, He had no one to talk to, no one to love, no one to scold! So, He created the planets and the living beings to fill this emptiness with endless activity.”
You, I and all the animate and inanimate objects of the universe are nothing but manifestations of God. When we say that God created the universe, we have to ask, “What is the stuff from which He created everything?” Yoga philosophy says that everything of this universe is composed of Consciousness or the very essence of God.
Spiritual Philosopy
Quote:The diversities of this universe are the transitory transformations of part of His infinite cosmic “body” in a never-ending flow. This implies that life and the universe will never end, but that parts of it are continuously being created from Him and concurrently merging back into Him.
God/Brahma/Cosmic Consciousness or whatever you want to call it was conscious before anything was created. (I'll call it Brahma). Brahma's manifestations in the universe are temporary things which don't exist forever but Brahma's consciousness doesn't cease to exist when the temporary manifestations are no more.
So back to NDE's. When you read the reports they are the experiences of the unit minds because they can meet relatives or pets during the course of their experience. This NDE report is from a woman who was met by her pet dog.
Jan Price's Near-Death Experience With Her Pet Dog
If you scroll down the page to section 6 you'll read -
Quote:6. Visiting Her Dog Maggi's Heaven
Maggi wanted to show me where she lived, which she said was patterned by much of what she remembered of the homes where she had lived with us. She had held the images in her mind, pressed, and created a place of residence. As she spoke of her home, we arrived there, which didn't seem strange at all at the time. Later I realized that it was a rather bizarre experience - not only the instantaneous "being there" in the space of a thought but also the idea that our dog actually had a beautiful home on the other side. Again John later helped me to understand this when he said that Emanuel Swedenborg, a frequent visitor to the heavenly realm, wrote that animals do indeed have abodes in the spiritual world, pointing out that they:
"...have such knowledge, for it is implanted in them to know of themselves their homes and dwelling places, as is evident from abundant observation." [12]
As I stood in Maggi's dwelling place, I felt great joy. There was a fire in the fireplace, giving the room a warm, friendly glow. A wall of books - of course! Beautiful paintings and oriental rugs. One whole side of the room was glass and you could look out on a vista of rolling hills, bubbling streams, and many trees.
We sat comfortably on one of the soft, velvety love seats, content just to be together. I stroked her beautiful head and she laid her paws across my legs.
I don't think Ananda Marga teaches that when someone dies they continue in an afterlife where they can visit a comfortable home created by a pet dog.
Where an NDE is concerned a body has started the dying process but it doesn't reach the point where the process can't be reversed. If a unit mind is having experiences of something it can't have left the body according to Ananda Marga teachings because a unit mind lacking a body is asleep so doesn't experience anything.
If you believe that you'll experience some kind of afterlife once your body has completed the death process you aren't following the Ananda Marga philosophy. Afterlives are part of other philosophies such as Theosophy, Spiritualism and Wicca.
PS: There's something very interesting in section 12 of that report.
Quote:12. Understanding Life from God's Perspective
The Wise One continued speaking:
"Throughout the vast unlimitedness of All That Is, the creative energy - that which is called the Spirit of God - is expressing itself as you, me, and everything else. Wherever we are, the God-source is, and we are always somewhere."
"Sometimes I am in places where God doesn't seem to be, as in the middle of a heart attack," I responded. "Surely God is not there."
"Yes. Wherever we are, the Source, God, is. A heart attack isn't bad. It is just an experience accepted on a certain level of being. We are so unlimited that we can limit, restrict, contract. Such power is awesome, for it is our very nature to create. We are constantly expressing in some way. Those who have chosen to move into the adventure of the dense matter we call physical must learn how fully to enjoy it. Physical is not lesser than other realms, just different. It is a special form of expression that has unique pleasures when we understand how to do it rightly. We should not be so eager to get out. Physical is not unspiritual. All is God. With understanding of omnipresence we will stop creating hurtful experiences, for fear will no longer exist. There is nothing wrong, nothing bad, there is just creation."



