(August 2, 2015 at 9:54 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:2 Thess. is about knowledge and obedience. People in the Old Testament had knowledge of god. What does it mean to obey the gospel of Christ? this is open for interpretation so of course you will interpret it in a way that supports your narrative. Because it falls short of saying believing that Jesus is god as the Church teaches it serves only as something you can interpret to support your claims, not as proof of those claims.(August 2, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: 1. Of course the fact that Genesis doesn’t say anything about punishment of the soul does not necessarily mean that you can’t add it if it fits your narrative. The bible tells us what happens to the spirit after the body dies
And what does God then do with the spirit?
And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27)
Then with whom am I having this conversation???![]()
Only Adam could potentially go to hell for Adam's sin. Scripturally it would appear that Adam was covered by the blood of Christ and did not go to hell. Therefore, no one is going to hell for Adam's sin.
I repeat the previous question, is your argument then that because the word's "Abraham's Bosom" don't appear in the OT hell doesn't exist?
It wasn't meant to. You wrote that:
You wrote "nowhere else," as in no place in the Bible, do we see anyone going to hell for what they did or did not believe. Yet 2 Thessalonians 1:7 states "when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power."
1 Corinthians 15:1:-4 "Moreover brethren I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."
You didn't address Revelation 20:11-15:
"And I saw a great white throne and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead small and great, stand before God and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them; and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Jesus will be sitting on a great white throne. Books are opened of two categories, one the book of life, and two the books that are an account of the works of each man. At the great white throne judgment, there exist only people being judged by their works.
And what do we learn about people seeking to be judged by their works? Galatians 3:10-11 says:
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith."
The logical conclusion here is that no one's [who seeks to be justified by works and is therefore at the great white throne judgment] name will be found in the book of life.
You still have not shown that the idea of hell is anything but an construct of apocalyptic Judaism. Superimposing your interpretation of New Testament scriptures onto Old Testament scriptures where they don't exist is not going to do it.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.