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Hiroshima 70 years ago
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RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago
(August 6, 2015 at 6:23 am)abaris Wrote:
(August 6, 2015 at 3:48 am)bennyboy Wrote: As a guy with a Korean family, let me speak for Korea when I say-- fuck 'em.  How many millions did the Japanese rape, how many cities did they sack?  How many thousands did they do sick medical experiments on?  How much humilitation did they very deliberately inflict on their Asian neighbors?

You're of Korean descent. So we should hold you and your family responsible for what the Kims did and do. They're Korean too after all. And so, fuck all Koreans - that your approach, isn't it?
No, I'm not. I'm Canadian, and mostly white; I said I had Korean family, not that I am in any part Korean. As for your comment: if a couple non-dictator Kims were tortured and killed, nobody, including you, would shed a tear. You'd think: yep, those pricks endangered their families, and the blood of their innocent relatives is on their hands.

Quote:In my case, a large part of my family was killed in Hitler's death camps. I still like to make a distinction between Nazi and German or Austrian. And in the case of killing civilians, I certainly do.
Do you cry daily over the innocents lost in the bombing of Dresden? Do you condemn the American military for knowingly killing civilians? Again, I'd say-- fuck 'em. When the men go to an unjust war and commit atrocities, they forfeit the rights of their loved ones to the protections of the goodwill of a moral system.


Now, I agree that the actual reality on the ground is horrific. It's really too bad for all these people that they were bystanders in the insanity of the government of their day and the citizens who followed those governments in warlike ways. No child deserves to burn.

But why should Japanese civilians have been extended civility and protection, when the Japanese laid a path of rape, torture and wreckage across Asia? Should they really get to say "Just kidding. . . we're done," and go back and lick their wounds while all their loved ones remain perfectly safe and healthy? And this while there are thousands or millions buried in mass graves? Thousands of teenage girls having been daily gang-raped in the name of the emperor? Civilians frozen to death in ice water? Elderly with their fingernails pulled out in an attempt to get them to give up their children and grandchildren?

I think that's the real reason for the bombs-- not so much to win the war, but to balance a debt a little before Japan could hide under the protections of a treaty.
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Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 5, 2015 at 9:03 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Anomalocaris - August 5, 2015 at 9:29 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Pyrrho - August 5, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by vorlon13 - August 5, 2015 at 11:25 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Anomalocaris - August 6, 2015 at 12:47 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 6, 2015 at 5:54 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 5, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 5, 2015 at 10:00 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Pyrrho - August 5, 2015 at 10:41 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 5, 2015 at 10:45 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Pyrrho - August 5, 2015 at 10:57 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Brian37 - August 6, 2015 at 1:51 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 2:02 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Thumpalumpacus - August 6, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 1:55 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Duke Guilmon - August 8, 2015 at 12:57 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by bennyboy - August 6, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 6, 2015 at 6:23 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by bennyboy - August 7, 2015 at 7:36 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by LastPoet - August 6, 2015 at 4:50 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by ignoramus - August 6, 2015 at 6:30 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 6, 2015 at 6:47 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by vorlon13 - August 6, 2015 at 9:58 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Anomalocaris - August 6, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Cato - August 6, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 6, 2015 at 10:24 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Cato - August 6, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by vorlon13 - August 6, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Cato - August 6, 2015 at 10:50 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 6, 2015 at 10:57 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by vorlon13 - August 6, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Anomalocaris - August 7, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by vorlon13 - August 6, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 7, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 7, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 8:22 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 7, 2015 at 8:22 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 2:13 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 7, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 8:34 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 7, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 7, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Hiroroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 7, 2015 at 9:06 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Anomalocaris - August 8, 2015 at 1:32 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 8, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 8, 2015 at 6:18 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Pyrrho - August 8, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 8, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 8, 2015 at 6:10 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 6:13 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 7, 2015 at 8:29 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 7, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Shinagami - August 8, 2015 at 12:02 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 2:06 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by bennyboy - August 8, 2015 at 6:30 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Anomalocaris - August 8, 2015 at 12:32 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 8, 2015 at 12:43 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Pyrrho - August 8, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by vorlon13 - August 8, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 8, 2015 at 10:27 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 8, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by bennyboy - August 8, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by abaris - August 8, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 8, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 8, 2015 at 12:54 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Anomalocaris - August 8, 2015 at 10:36 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Dystopia - August 8, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 8, 2015 at 1:27 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 8, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Gawdzilla - August 8, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: Hiroshima 70 years ago - by Minimalist - August 8, 2015 at 11:05 pm

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