atheism and children

[Pyrrho]

That means that god is evil.  If he has the power to stop such things, without risk to himself, and chooses not to do so, he is responsible for it.  (Not to mention the fact that if he created the world in the first place, he is totally responsible for everything that naturally occurs as a result of his creation.)  You worship a cruel, heartless bastard.

You must certainly understand the Christian belief that we live in a fallen world as a direct result of the original sin.

Of course.  Blaming us for what our alleged ancestors allegedly did is the epitome of evil and being immoral.  How would you react to us locking you in prison for life if we found out that your great-great-great-great-grandfather murdered someone?  Is that your idea of justice?

Your addition of us being in a "fallen state" only shows more conclusively how immoral your god is.

What's more important to point out is that you call God evil. On what basis?  Your own?  You cannot call anything evil without invoking a personal moral authority of which you say does not exist.

So, you want to change the conversation to be about the basis of morality?  Whenever someone condemns a rapist murderer as being evil, do you say to them, "Now wait a minute, on what basis do you judge them to be immoral?  If there is no objective morality, you cannot say that!"

I am fine with a conversation about the basis of morality.  But it is a different conversation from this one.  If you want, you can start a thread on it, telling us all about the basis for morality.


That it is a different conversation is shown by the fact that utilitarians, Kantians, etc., pretty much all tell us that rape and murder are wrong.  Once two people agree on those principles, then the argument can proceed using them, regardless of whether they agree on the basis of what it is that makes those things wrong.

Very few ethical theories tell us that rape and murder are okay.  If you think they are, then we do have a need for discussing the basis of morality for the present discussion to proceed.  But otherwise, it is just a needless distraction, possibly motivated by a desire on your part to change the subject instead of dealing with the issue at hand.