RE: Atheism the unscientific believe.
August 9, 2015 at 1:59 am
(This post was last modified: August 9, 2015 at 2:02 am by Redbeard The Pink.)
(August 9, 2015 at 1:41 am)Little Rik Wrote: Actually the problem is not with listening.
I do listen but i can't hear any one prove me wrong.
Where is the evidence that with the physical death everything is over?
And where is the evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain?
What you're asking for in the first case is evidence that something does not exist (the afterlife, in this instance). We have thoroughly explained why this is a fallacy. It is not up to us to come up with evidence that consciousness can't exist without a brain. It's up to YOU to show evidence that it CAN exist without a brain, and your only evidence has been NDEs (or as I like to call them, "death dreams"), which is an appallingly low level of evidence. Personal testimony is already considered one of the worst forms of evidence out there, and in this case we're talking about personal testimony from an unconscious, dying brain.
The second question is the exact same thing. You've tried to word it creatively, but you're basically saying "Prove to me that a consciousness without a brain does not exist." Again, that's not how that works. It's up to you to prove that such a thing DOES exist. Until you produce proof, nonexistence is the only sensible position of belief.
Simply put, we don't have to show evidence that a brainless consciousness does not exist. We can prove that brains generate consciousness, and we can find endless examples of brainless things that do not display any apparent consciousness; all you're doing is dancing around like a monkey singing "Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Consciousness could still exist in a form we don't understand yet."
Absence of evidence might be evidence of absence, Rik, but a lack of evidence of absence isn't evidence of presence, either. You are making a positive claim. It is up to you to prove it. We are not making positive claims, so we don't need evidence. That might frustrate you if you had the capacity to understand it, but your ignorance is so blissful that it's painful for the rest of us to watch.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com