(August 9, 2015 at 1:59 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(August 9, 2015 at 1:41 am)Little Rik Wrote: Actually the problem is not with listening.
I do listen but i can't hear any one prove me wrong.
Where is the evidence that with the physical death everything is over?
And where is the evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain?
What you're asking for in the first case is evidence that something does not exist (the afterlife, in this instance). We have thoroughly explained why this is a fallacy. It is not up to us to come up with evidence that consciousness can't exist without a brain. It's up to YOU to show evidence that it CAN exist without a brain, and your only evidence has been NDEs (or as I like to call them, "death dreams"), which is an appallingly low level of evidence. Personal testimony is already considered one of the worst forms of evidence out there, and in this case we're talking about personal testimony from an unconscious, dying brain.
The second question is the exact same thing. You've tried to word it creatively, but you're basically saying "Prove to me that a consciousness without a brain does not exist." Again, that's not how that works. It's up to you to prove that such a thing DOES exist. Until you produce proof, nonexistence is the only sensible position of belief.
Simply put, we don't have to show evidence that a brainless consciousness does not exist. We can prove that brains generate consciousness, and we can find endless examples of brainless things that do not display any apparent consciousness; all you're doing is dancing around like a monkey singing "Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Consciousness could still exist in a form we don't understand yet."
Absence of evidence might be evidence of absence, Rik, but a lack of evidence of absence isn't evidence of presence, either. You are making a positive claim. It is up to you to prove it. We are not making positive claims, so we don't need evidence. That might frustrate you if you had the capacity to understand it, but your ignorance is so blissful that it's painful for the rest of us to watch.
1) Sorry Pinky but is you guys that make the claim therefore it is you that got to come up with evidence.
By me saying that there is no evidence regarding YOUR claims i do not make any claim so don't try to twist the
issue around.
2) When you say.........We can prove that brains generate consciousness..........you don't really prove any thing
at all.
Brain and consciousness are connected to each other so until this connection exist it is obvious that both are
needed to make the mind function.
This doesn't mean that once they are disconnected the consciousness can not work anymore.
It is like the driver and the car.
To move the car both the driver and the car are needed.
This doesn't means that once the car rot away the driver also rot away.
