(August 9, 2015 at 2:25 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) Sorry Pinky but is you guys that make the claim therefore it is you that got to come up with evidence.
By me saying that there is no evidence regarding YOUR claims i do not make any claim so don't try to twist the
issue around.
2) When you say.........We can prove that brains generate consciousness..........you don't really prove any thing
at all.
Brain and consciousness are connected to each other so until this connection exist it is obvious that both are
needed to make the mind function.
This doesn't mean that once they are disconnected the consciousness can not work anymore.
It is like the driver and the car.
To move the car both the driver and the car are needed.
This doesn't means that once the car rot away the driver also rot away.
1) No, Rik. You do not get to dodge the burden of proof by simply stating that we're the ones making the claim. YOU are the one who came onto this board and called us unscientific for not believing that consciousness can exist outside of a brain. YOU are the one who says that brainless consciousness exists. YOU, therefore, are the one making a positive claim that needs to be proven. I'm waiting.
2) You isolated that statement from the context of the argument. The point was that while we can prove certain things about consciousness, it is always impossible to prove that something does not exist, hence the burden of proof being on the person who is making a positive claim for the existence of something (in this case, you).
Your bullshit about the car isn't even worth addressing. Analogies and belittling claims aren't evidence. Prove your claims or fuck off. You're the one who's unscientific.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com